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Old 07-23-2012, 01:47 AM   #586
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I know this is a Muaythai/kickboxing thread, and this vid is of an amature boxing match uploaded by CHOKDEEVIDEO(and a damn good one at that). But since its between Ramon Dekkers and Den Maungsurian I think its relevant.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDxjlqF2HCE&feature=context-gfa[/ame]


if anyone has any background on this fight please post it.
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Old 07-25-2012, 05:34 AM   #591
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Was never a huge fan of Somluck's style overall, but an INCREDIBLE fighter. Him and Samart are probably the most relaxed nak muay I've seen thus far. Just born for the ring.

What's up with Jockygym putting out so many great fighters with slick styles in the past, and why not so much anymore? Off the top of my head...Somluck, Saenchai, Lerdsila, Silapathai?

There are others, but the four above stand out immensely against a backdrop of incredible fighters and competition. I know Dany Bill trained out of there as well and he was a great fighter also.


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Yep, there are more than few Somluck fans here including me. He beat the ATG in my avatar Boonlai Sor Thanikul and if you look at the Thai writing below my name it is Somluck’s catchphrase on Thai TV "ไม่ได้โม้นะ" Which says “Medi mow na!” which basically means “I’m not a boast!” because he’s as famous for boasting as he is fighting.

We’ve already mentioned him a few times on this ATG thread he comes up a lot. Top Thai ATG without question, hard to find anyone so comfortable in the ring with such a pure style of his own, a natural fighter. What more to say other than he beat some of the biggest names in the 90s such as Kongtoranee, Chamoukphet and Boonlai to name a just a few, got avoided by those he didn’t beat due to his unorthodox and unpredictable style, however never won a stadium belt and hence moved on to amateur boxing. He first spotted and purchased Seanchai Sor Kingstar, trained him and instilled in him some of that unpredictability and some of those unorthodox moves that arguable has helped Seanchai climb right to the top of the P4P ATG MT mountain.

He's also one of the rare breakouts form the army of MT fighters in Thailand that has crossed over into the Thai media and is a regular on Thai TV along with Samart, Khosai and Nong Toom. He’s a comedy like character to the Thai people known for his fighting , boasting and steakhouse that he opened in around 2001 in Onnut (very near where I used to live), but most Thai people have affection for him due to his boxing gold medal and his lovable rogue personality.

Somluck is such a rare talent and natural fighter that after years of inactivity he can walk right back into an MT ring and make world class opposition look like amateurs which he did in 2000 on the King’s Birthday against a top N.Afican French fighter, he made him look like a novice. I was lucky enough to see that fight live in Bangkok in 2000. I have it on good authority that Somluck hadn’t spent one day in the gym training for the fight nad had been partying for weeks beforehand. It’s the first few clips in the HL reel that RJJFan posted.

Here he is fighting the ATG in my avatar Boonlai (2 time Lumpinee champ ) in the 90s and a pic of them both retired many years later:


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BoranBKK: could you give me any insight into Khamsing's decision to go to the Olympics? Where was he at in his career going into it???

I know the story is "I couldn't get any big fights" but I think we've addressed that before. Just seems odd that he was chosen, although if I'm not wrong he was already a big star (in Muay Thai terms) before going to Atlanta. Or at least highly respected.

Was he the top MT fighter at the time would you say?
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:40 AM   #593
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ATG status then it is correct that Dekkers first and JWP second for farang.

The first farang to really make his mark with the Thai's followed by the first farang to win the Kings cup and green jacket and then repeat. ATG.
Petrosyan would have IMO taken Parr to school, and I respect Parr a LOT.
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Shame he's scared to fight under Muay Thai rules.
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Was never a huge fan of Somluck's style overall, but an INCREDIBLE fighter. Him and Samart are probably the most relaxed nak muay I've seen thus far. Just born for the ring.

What's up with Jockygym putting out so many great fighters with slick styles in the past, and why not so much anymore? Off the top of my head...Somluck, Saenchai, Lerdsila, Silapathai?

There are others, but the four above stand out immensely against a backdrop of incredible fighters and competition. I know Dany Bill trained out of there as well and he was a great fighter also.
My trainer told me that gyms today train their fighters to be more exciting in the ring, rather than build their skills.
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Shame he's scared to fight under Muay Thai rules.
I think thats an unfair statement.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:54 AM   #597
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well, it's hard to be more exciting than those fighters in the 90's were.
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:33 PM   #598
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I know this is a Muaythai/kickboxing thread, and this vid is of an amature boxing match uploaded by CHOKDEEVIDEO(and a damn good one at that). But since its between Ramon Dekkers and Den Maungsurian I think its relevant.

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if anyone has any background on this fight please post it.
Nice post Yaca and I agree it’s super relevant. Dekkers and Den met three times (?) in the MT world so this just adds to MT folklore. I’ve never seen that clip before, what a gem, it’s one of the best amateur bouts I’ve ever seen especially the first 3 rounds. Let’s hope some of the coming Olympic bouts are half that good.

Now, in terms of the background to this fight we have some interesting coincidence considering we’re taking about Somluck and Boonlai at the moment in the thread. Just listening to the commentary, I’ve picked up that this event was a testing ground for the Atlanta 96 Olympic games. It seems two army general promoters hosted this event at the Mall Bangkapi as an open audition/ testing ground for Thai amateurs against invited foreigner amateur boxers to try to see what they had to pick form to get their squad together for the 96 Olympics.

The coincidence to Somluck is obvious, the 96 Atlanta Olympics, but the other interesting coincidence is to Boonlai. The Army own Lumpinee and are heavily involved in the Muay Thai world with gyms, promotions (mostly Lumpinee) and fighters etc. Boonlai comes from the famed Sor Thainkul gym which was owned and managed by Mr Klao Thainkul, the biggest godfather Thailand has ever seen. He loved Muay Thai and basically built up one of the biggest and most successful stable of fighters in the 80s and 90s. His other passion (as well as dogs) was Thai amateur boxing and until his assassination in 1991, behind the Sor Thanikul MT gym there was a separate facility where the Thai Amateur boxing team trained under his auspices. A very famous Lumpinee promoter “ X” learnt his trade and took orders for Mr Klao and his Army general partners in crime. Mr Klao ran it all and it benefited everyone. However, there was talk of the confident Mr Klao getting more heavily into politics in a country where money really talks and he had an audience with the King, he was getting way too big. Anyway, one thing led to another and the army generals assassinate Mr Klao and his driver in a machine gun and RPG fest on a lone highway on the outskirts of BKK in Samut Sakon. The result “X” has the Muay Thai world handed to him on a plate by the increasingly powerful generals and the generals get to do as they please without any interference from a dangerous foe such Mr Klao who could have one day wound up as a powerful legitimate politician in Thailand! The Generals and “S” still have that partnership until today. The point is this event with Den and Dekkers is probably being promoted and handled by two of the Generals mentioned in the aftermath of above as they’d have “inherited” the Thai Amateur Boxing Team after the death of Mr Klao. By the way this is all allegedly and pure hearsay probably nothing but gossip.

Anyway, here’s Den and Dekkers as we love to remember them:


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOWDrZWwhBI[/ame]
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Petrosyan would have IMO taken Parr to school, and I respect Parr a LOT.
Oh dear, not another one.

This is starting to become a very regular miconception on this thread. Pira was talking MT not Kickboxing FFS!

But you do have to wonder why they never met. Old man JWP has never ducked anyone anywhere! Petro hasn't fought in Thailand since he got his arsed kicked full MT rules and only fights Thais in his own backyard under Kickboxing rules!

I wonder.......

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Nice post Yaca and I agree it’s super relevant. Dekkers and Den met three times (?) in the MT world so this just adds to MT folklore. I’ve never seen that clip before, what a gem, it’s one of the best amateur bouts I’ve ever seen especially the first 3 rounds. Let’s hope some of the coming Olympic bouts are half that good.

Now, in terms of the background to this fight we have some interesting coincidence considering we’re taking about Somluck and Boonlai at the moment in the thread. Just listening to the commentary, I’ve picked up that this event was a testing ground for the Atlanta 96 Olympic games. It seems two army general promoters hosted this event at the Mall Bangkapi as an open audition/ testing ground for Thai amateurs against invited foreigner amateur boxers to try to see what they had to pick form to get their squad together for the 96 Olympics.

The coincidence to Somluck is obvious, the 96 Atlanta Olympics, but the other interesting coincidence is to Boonlai. The Army own Lumpinee and are heavily involved in the Muay Thai world with gyms, promotions (mostly Lumpinee) and fighters etc. Boonlai comes from the famed Sor Thainkul gym which was owned and managed by Mr Klao Thainkul, the biggest godfather Thailand has ever seen. He loved Muay Thai and basically built up one of the biggest and most successful stable of fighters in the 80s and 90s. His other passion (as well as dogs) was Thai amateur boxing and until his assassination in 1991, behind the Sor Thanikul MT gym there was a separate facility where the Thai Amateur boxing team trained under his auspices. A very famous Lumpinee promoter “ X” learnt his trade and took orders for Mr Klao and his Army general partners in crime. Mr Klao ran it all and it benefited everyone. However, there was talk of the confident Mr Klao getting more heavily into politics in a country where money really talks and he had an audience with the King, he was getting way too big. Anyway, one thing led to another and the army generals assassinate Mr Klao and his driver in a machine gun and RPG fest on a lone highway on the outskirts of BKK in Samut Sakon. The result “X” has the Muay Thai world handed to him on a plate by the increasingly powerful generals and the generals get to do as they please without any interference from a dangerous foe such Mr Klao who could have one day wound up as a powerful legitimate politician in Thailand! The Generals and “S” still have that partnership until today. The point is this event with Den and Dekkers is probably being promoted and handled by two of the Generals mentioned in the aftermath of above as they’d have “inherited” the Thai Amateur Boxing Team after the death of Mr Klao. By the way this is all allegedly and pure hearsay probably nothing but gossip.

Anyway, here’s Den and Dekkers as we love to remember them:

thanks for the info boran
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