ESB ATGs Muay Thai / KickBoxing fighters Thread

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

Sorry yaca I totally missed this post! Great post to!

I love Pornsaneh to me he's a throwback fighter. A totally excitng come froward fighter who's preference is to kick and punch. But he's a real thinker as well, not like an alls balls out Bovy come forward guy, Pornsaneh's as ballsy as Bovy but he's way more tactical. You know his end goal is always the same ie he wants to land that low rigght round kick, but he seems to confuse you into beliveing otherwise by mixing things up so well with his hands.

His right kick is ****in wickedly evil . The kind of sterotypical brutally repetative Thai low kick that throws back to the 90s and still causes western fighters to shake i nthier boots!

Shame he's not 10 kilos bigger and he could cause some serious international damage image him K-1 style with those fists nad feet! He'd be a great addition to the Thai Fight promotion to.

By the way all credit to Kongnabha for deciding he didn't want to taste anymore lowkicks and needed to try to end it in round 2 with elbows, oened things up nicely, great spirit.

The 2nd fight well......

I was watching that and thought this is a mismatch, a rare thing in Thailand until Sipayak put Kataphet on his arse with that kick! Great come back although it was kinda clear in the next round it was a lucky strike as Sipayak was clearly the weaker fighter, but to his credit he really showed true Thai spirit and went for it. But that finfishung kick for Kataphet....class... and with the lead leg to! He'd been sizing that one up for a while.

Great clips Yaca! Don't be a stranger in here!

thanks for your response Boran, always appreciate your insights

Pornsaneh is a very fan friendly fighter to watch very powerful with a variety of quick combinations- not the typical thai style. If he was bigger like the size of masato and Souwer I believe he could have (if invited to K-1) would have definetly been among the very best in the Max tourney. I wouldt say for certain that he would dominate because I think fighters like souwer, Masato, and Petrosyan would have been competitive. they are great fighters after all. But Pornseneh has the goods just not the size to have been a great international kickboxer. This is why K-1 really needs to push the smaller weighclasses so they can promote some of the best talent.

I agree with you Boran Sipayak vs Kataphet was a mismatch in skill Kataphet clearly was iagressive and in control of the fight up until he was nearly removed from his concousness from a well placed right highkick. And if their was more time on the clock in the 2nd round Sipayak might have won, but Kataphet again dominated in the 3rd until he was able to return the favor when he countered with his own highkick. Sipayak never knew what hit him and eneded up leaning right into it

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by stormy0

Just saw this posted on youtube, old fight I haven't seen before. Although I haven't got to sit down and watch it yet, I figured I'd throw it up here. Two of my favorite fighters from the golden era.

Karuhat Sor Supawan vs Ole Kiatoneway
[url]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=C86D5GX1H2I[/url]

I havent seen this fight before either. I really enjoy watching Ole Kiatoneway fight, but this was very one sided. Ole is the bigger faster stronger man and it showed. in the 4th round their was a point where ole and Karuhat clinched up and Ole just threw him to the ground with ease... Karuhat was just too small.

Karuhat was pretty sneaky tying to set up those highkicks early, but later he seemed to be resigned to losing. Ole came on strong with punching combos there in the fifth round.


the announcer was interesting havent seen this before in a Mauythai fight. Did he really read the scorecards and announce the winner like they do in boxing?

Anyway Stormy thanks for the post, dont want to sound negitve but Karuhat just didnt seem to have a chance here. He seemed slow and old. Does anybody have some info on this fight?

[stormy0]

Originally Posted by yaca you

I havent seen this fight before either. I really enjoy watching Ole Kiatoneway fight, but this was very one sided. Ole is the bigger faster stronger man and it showed. in the 4th round their was a point where ole and Karuhat clinched up and Ole just threw him to the ground with ease... Karuhat was just too small.

Karuhat was pretty sneaky tying to set up those highkicks early, but later he seemed to be resigned to losing. Ole came on strong with punching combos there in the fifth round.


the announcer was interesting havent seen this before in a Mauythai fight. Did he really read the scorecards and announce the winner like they do in boxing?

Anyway Stormy thanks for the post, dont want to sound negitve but Karuhat just didnt seem to have a chance here. He seemed slow and old. Does anybody have some info on this fight?

I don't know anything about the fight card, although looking at them, this looks like from when they're both a little older/into their careers, respectively.

I watched it and think the same thing. Ole just outclassed him. I'd never seen Karuhat look that cautious and tense. Every other fight I've seen him in, he's super relaxed, comfortable and confident.
I think Ole was more in damage control mode, not looking to put a hurt on Karuhat, just win the bout comfortably.

[evalistinho]

****kkk i would hate to hold the pads for dieselnoi back in the day

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by evalistinho

****kkk i would hate to hold the pads for dieselnoi back in the day

Personally I think Dieselnoi 6'3" 135 lbs is the most physically imposing/ stylistic nightmare to ever exist in combat sports. his knees were brutal holding those pads must have been hell.

[yaca you]

Kaensak so Ploenchit is steadily rising on my favorite Thai boxers lists(also clearly an ATG as previously mentioned on this thread) here is one of IMO his best performances against 4 time lumpinee champ and ATG Lamnamoon Sor Sumalee whos specialty was clinchfighting and is considered one of the very best at that style.

Kaensak is in the red shorts

[ame]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=PmhZDq4lYMM[/ame]





another great fight by Kaensak who is in the red shorts:
[ame]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=cb4If1OJwX0[/ame]

[yaca you]

by the way I found this on Lamnamoon a while back been meaning to post this. a little old I know full of info.

By Rob Cox (January 20, 2004)

Not so well known in the west, Lamnamoon Sor Sumalee is a fighter with a record that deserves to have him ranked up there alongside the likes of Sangtiennoi, Jongsanan, Sakmongkhon and all the other big name Thais that have fought in the west. Born in Amnat Jareon province in the Northeast of Thailand in 1972 and named Khukrit Kamolroek, Lamnamoon didn’t start learning Muay Thai until the relativaly late age for Thai’s of 14. He was inspired by a love of the sport and wanting to follow in his older brothers footsteps. He started practicing at Sitpongthep camp nearby and fought under the name of Pongtheplek Sitpongthep.

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After about 25 fights for this camp his trainer took him to train at the famous Sor Sumalee camp in nearby Ubon Ratchathani province. He was given the fight name Lamnamoon Sor Sumalee and started to make a big name for himself on the local shows. After a short while he was taken to fight in Bangkok and was signed up under the promotional wing of Thailands number one promoter Songchai Ratanasuban.Lamnamoon shone under Songchais promotion and had a distinct advantage over a lot of opponents with his very tall, lean frame. His trainers capitalized on this and trained him to be exceptional in the clinch and with his knees. Not long after fighting in Bangkok he was given the knickname ‘Khun Kao Wetaan’ or ‘Telephone pole knees’.
Lamnamoon got his first chance at a stadium title on the 30th of April 1993, which he won in style beating Former fighter of the year Jaroensap Kiatbanchong.
He gave this title up undeafeted after moving up in weight and three years later got the chance to win another title. This time beating Methi Jedapitak on points to win the Lumpini Featherweight title.Lamnamoon made just one defence of this title beating Chatchai Paiseethong on points before relinquishing the title, due to not being able to make the weight anymore. One year later in December 1997 he got a shot at his third title and beat ‘Batman’ Samkor Kiatmonthep on points to win the Lumpini Junior Lightweight title. He lost this title later to Khunsuk Sitboramee (Petsuphapaan). The title became vacant and Lamnamoon won it for a second time beating Rambojiew Dongolf service on points. Lamnamoon lost this title on points to Namsaknoi Yutkaankamthon.

[img]********matrixthaiboxinggym.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Lamnamoon-vs-Kunsak-.jpg[/img]

Lamnamoon has been fighting at the highest level in Bangkok for over ten years now and has pitted his skills against some of the very best. Including Five fights against Samkor four of those wins! Five fights against Chatchai Paiseethong three of those wins, fights against Toto Por Pongsawang, Thongchai Tor Silachai, Jeroenwit Kiatbanchong, Kaensak Sor Ploenchit, Sangmorakot Sor Ploenchit, Langsuan Panyuthapoom, Namkabuan Nongkeepahuyuth, Hansuk Prasathinpanomrung, Wangjannoi Sor Palangchai, Karuhat Sor Suphawan,Kaoponglek Luksuritham, Attachai Por Samranchai,Boonlai Sor Thanikun,Khunpinit Kiatawan,Krekchai Kaewsamrit and many many more!Lamnamoon has always been an exciting fighter to watch with his long knees and seeing if his opponent can get pass them to land any shots of there own. He Has his own weakness in his punch resistance not always being the best which has made for some spectacular fights. But he has always been an honest fighter and was upset when someone suggested he may have lost a little too easily in one fight. His next fight he decided to show that he wouldn’t accept anything other than victory, and bet his whole purse of 100,000 baht ($2500 US) on himself, he won the fight beating Chokdee Por Pramuk on points.Lamnamoon also got the chance to fight abroad once Beating Sato Takaya in Nagoya Japan and with his career in Bangkok winding down now, it looks like he will only fight abroad in the future.
With a 7 year old Daughter and a 3 year old Son to look after, Lamnamoon has been careful with his money unlike some of the fighters here and has invested in a plot of land and built several rooms he rents out to the local university students in Ubon.
Asked if he would let his son fight, Lamnamoon said he wouldn’t stand in his way, but it would have to come from the heart as having had many battles over the years, he knows himself it’s not something he would ever want to force on him.

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by yaca you

I havent seen this fight before either. I really enjoy watching Ole Kiatoneway fight, but this was very one sided. Ole is the bigger faster stronger man and it showed. in the 4th round their was a point where ole and Karuhat clinched up and Ole just threw him to the ground with ease... Karuhat was just too small.

Karuhat was pretty sneaky tying to set up those highkicks early, but later he seemed to be resigned to losing. Ole came on strong with punching combos there in the fifth round.


the announcer was interesting havent seen this before in a Mauythai fight. Did he really read the scorecards and announce the winner like they do in boxing?

Anyway Stormy thanks for the post, dont want to sound negitve but Karuhat just didnt seem to have a chance here. He seemed slow and old. Does anybody have some info on this fight?

Originally Posted by stormy0

I don't know anything about the fight card, although looking at them, this looks like from when they're both a little older/into their careers, respectively.

I watched it and think the same thing. Ole just outclassed him. I'd never seen Karuhat look that cautious and tense. Every other fight I've seen him in, he's super relaxed, comfortable and confident.
I think Ole was more in damage control mode, not looking to put a hurt on Karuhat, just win the bout comfortably.

This event happened in Auckland, New Zealand and was shown live in Thailand on channel 9 probabaly with Army or Governmant backing. Notice the big wig general putting the belt on Ole with Yodthong. At the time Thailand was busy building itself up as a top notch tourist destination and never missed a chance to showcase elements of it's culture abroad whehter it be food, Buddhism or Muay Thai. Notice the guys wearing the Mita shorts often worn by Thais representing thier country abroad around then, remember all those great fights in Holland? If you're standing in fornt of a Thai in the those silver shorts............ruuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnn

Good fight eyes fellas, both of your assesments of Karuhat are on the money. In thier last meeting at 105 (this was at 115) Karuhat had dominated the 4th and 5th to win the fight, so something was definatly up in this fight. The commentators mention how he was stuggling with the height and reach of Ole as well as Ole being a more rounded fighter since thier last encounter, however I think the real answers to your observations have something to do with.....

Notice how he has a shaved head and lack of eybrows, well he'd just come out of a monastry where he'd been on retreat as a monk after his uncle died, so probabaly hadn't been training to hard, notice how soft he looks. As you say he was easily thrown around by Ole, Karuhat had no strength, power or stamina....Well that morning at the weigh in Karuhat was 2 kilos over and had to drain himself to make weight, so a possible explanation.

Shows you what a monster Ole must have been at cutting weight.

[stormy0]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

This event happened in Auckland, New Zealand and was shown live in Thailand on channel 9 probabaly with Army or Governmant backing. Notice the big wig general putting the belt on Ole with Yodthong. At the time Thailand was busy building itself up as a top notch tourist destination and never missed a chance to showcase elements of it's culture abroad whehter it be food, Buddhism or Muay Thai. Notice the guys wearing the Mita shorts often worn by Thais representing thier country abroad around then, remember all those great fights in Holland? If you're standing in fornt of a Thai in the those silver shorts............ruuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnn

Good fight eyes fellas, both of your assesments of Karuhat are on the money. In thier last meeting at 105 (this was at 115) Karuhat had dominated the 4th and 5th to win the fight, so something was definatly up in this fight. The commentators mention how he was stuggling with the height and reach of Ole as well as Ole being a more rounded fighter since thier last encounter, however I think the real answers to your observations have something to do with.....

Notice how he has a shaved head and lack of eybrows, well he'd just come out of a monastry where he'd been on retreat as a monk after his uncle died, so probabaly hadn't been training to hard, notice how soft he looks. As you say he was easily thrown around by Ole, Karuhat had no strength, power or stamina....Well that morning at the weigh in Karuhat was 2 kilos over and had to drain himself to make weight, so a possible explanation.

Shows you what a monster Ole must have been at cutting weight.

I had noticed the lack of eyebrows and thought about him just coming back from being a monk.

The disparity in physical ability in this fight is super strong, especially considering what I'm used to seeing from Karuhat, especially.

Would you happen to have a link for their other fights, or know if they are available anywhere?
Man, there's gotta be some deep archives with amazing match ups/fights at the Thai broadcasting studios just waiting to be unearthed and shared.

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by stormy0

I had noticed the lack of eyebrows and thought about him just coming back from being a monk.

The disparity in physical ability in this fight is super strong, especially considering what I'm used to seeing from Karuhat, especially.

Would you happen to have a link for their other fights, or know if they are available anywhere?
Man, there's gotta be some deep archives with amazing match ups/fights at the Thai broadcasting studios just waiting to be unearthed and shared.

I may have the previous fight on a One Songchai VCD, I'll be able to check this weekend at my mum's place where I have most of my One Songchai's stored. As with most of the Onesongchai stuff it won't be the whole fight probabaly the last 3 rounds. If I've got it I'll upload it onto my You Tube channel.

About the Thai archives, Yaca, Flea and I have mentioned this alot, but don't count on much of it surviving. This is a country that only upgraded to a computer immigration system in 2005 because the US bullied them into doing so!

Yaca, I'm not ignoring yourdoble ATG bad asses Lamnamoon & Kaensak posts I'm saving them for the weekend when I can get into them and enjoy them properly. Great to see it getting back to an ATG thread!

[stormy0]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

I may have the previous fight on a One Songchai VCD, I'll be able to check this weekend at my mum's place where I have most of my One Songchai's stored. As with most of the Onesongchai stuff it won't be the whole fight probabaly the last 3 rounds. If I've got it I'll upload it onto my You Tube channel.

About the Thai archives, Yaca, Flea and I have mentioned this alot, but don't count on much of it surviving. This is a country that only upgraded to a computer immigration system in 2005 because the US bullied them into doing so!

Yaca, I'm not ignoring yourdoble ATG bad asses Lamnamoon & Kaensak posts I'm saving them for the weekend when I can get into them and enjoy them properly. Great to see it getting back to an ATG thread!

That would be awesome, much thanks Boran!

Unfortunate regarding the loss of clips.

On the subject of Lamnamaoon and Karuhat, here's a fight I just recently saw, Karuhat vs Lamnamoon.

[ame]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=1DqFuJfwXzo[/ame]

[yaca you]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

Not sure, but the Charoensap I posted above in the fight may not be the Charoensap "Diamond Heart", but I can't be too sure. In the below clips is the "real" Charoensap "Diamond Heart".

It's never good to go by the second gym names as these can chamge frequently, but in the photo on the original clip it looks like the same guy facial but in the clip he looks chunkier in build than the confirmed Charoensap "Diamond Heart"!?

Differing point in his career? Or just different fighter?

Anyway, he's another quality Southerner and here's the original badboy in a couple of ATG battles.

Red shorts in the 1st clip and Blue in the second which annoyingly cuts off!

[url]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=TcilpwoJoL8[/url]

[url]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=gfkQ1MtjCAE[/url]

So I saw this Charoensap fight today and thought I should add it to the list of his. Was this guy ever in a boring fight!? Easy to see why they call him Diamond heart, if in fact it refers to what I think it does...

[ame]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=vEZIyNZUD18&feature=g-all-u[/ame]



Another good scrap from Charoensap against Samson Issarn a crazy come forward fighter who seems to enjoy pain. Who says clinchfighting is boring! Certainly not when its done right.
[ame]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfihtl1Wo-E&feature=related[/ame]

[Tyler-Durden]

Giorgio Petrosyan cemented his ATG status this saturday. Damn what a beast !

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Tyler-Durden

Giorgio Petrosyan cemented his ATG status this saturday. Damn what a beast !

This is a Muay Thai thread not a gay kickboxing thread

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

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