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Old 12-29-2007, 08:28 PM   #1
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Default Shavers vs. Cobb - Bull****?

Shaver's has stated that the ring was slippery, which is backed by every one of the commentators calling the fight, including Ken Norton.

But this fight happened on the undercard of Cuevas/Hearns, and Hearns had absolutely no problem with his power, taking Cuevas apart in a few rounds.

Eh? Same ring, yes?
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:41 PM   #2
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I assume it was the same ring, I saw it live on tv at the time. Shavers didn't lose because of a slippery ring though, he hit Tex with everything but the kitchen sink and then ran out of gas. Cobb didn't look great in stopping him either, his punches after having been bombed by Shavers were weak and sloppy. Shavers just had nothing to stand up with and the ref had to stop the bout.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:43 AM   #3
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Yeah, Earnie was slightly ahead in that fight, and nailing Cobb with shots that would have knocked the average fighter into next year. Like Timmers just said, I think it was a matter of Shavers stamina failing him.
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Old 12-30-2007, 11:13 AM   #4
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Default Re: Shavers vs. Cobb - Bull****?

It's rediculous to call the fight bull****. It's just how the cookie crumbled for Mr. Shavers. Slippery ring or no slippery ring, as a fighter you're supposed to overcome any obstacle on your way to attain victory, and Earnie failed to do so.
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Old 12-30-2007, 12:38 PM   #5
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Wrong soles maybe? Cuevas had problems as well.
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Old 12-30-2007, 01:27 PM   #6
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Default Re: Shavers vs. Cobb - Bull****?

It was reported at the time that Cuevas wore smooth-soled shoes, while Hearns had soles ridged for traction. It's clear that Cuevas was slipping and sliding around.

But being properly prepared is part of what every fighter is supposed to bring into the ring, and when one isn't, it's generally considered too bad for him. Plus, when he gets beaten decisively, the lack of preparation that may have been a factor isn't thought to be a big enough factor that anybody thinks anything different would have happened with proper preparation anyway.

That was the verdict for both fights. Give Cuevas and Shavers more traction and they both still get beaten on that day.
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:45 PM   #7
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Just finished watching Shavers getting knocked out by Jerry Quarry in 1 round.
Quarry looked pretty good.
Shavers sucked.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:04 PM   #8
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It was reported at the time that Cuevas wore smooth-soled shoes, while Hearns had soles ridged for traction. It's clear that Cuevas was slipping and sliding around.

But being properly prepared is part of what every fighter is supposed to bring into the ring, and when one isn't, it's generally considered too bad for him. Plus, when he gets beaten decisively, the lack of preparation that may have been a factor isn't thought to be a big enough factor that anybody thinks anything different would have happened with proper preparation anyway.

That was the verdict for both fights. Give Cuevas and Shavers more traction and they both still get beaten on that day.
I agree that if you're unprepared that's too bad. However in Cuevas' case especially, having the wrong shoes was a huge handicap. His punchers chance was completely blown.
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Old 01-01-2008, 01:33 AM   #9
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The ring had to be slippery for Cobb too. Like it interfered with Shaver's poetic footwork? Just a b.s. excuse. He just wore himself out trying to put a dent in Cobb's vulcanized rubber head with those sledgehammers of his, and it didn't work.
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Hearns oiled the ring before the fights to give himself an advantage.
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Old 01-01-2008, 08:20 AM   #11
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Hearns oiled the ring before the fights to give himself an advantage.
Yeah, and Cuevas soiled it

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Old 01-01-2008, 10:22 PM   #12
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Rodney, Quarry did himself proud that night. He was a few years past his best and a little soft around the middle, but when that overhand right caught Earnie on the point of his jaw you knew he was in trouble. How he stood up as long as he did with Jerrys booming hooks to his body and rights to the head I don't know.
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:49 PM   #14
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Rodney, Quarry did himself proud that night. He was a few years past his best and a little soft around the middle, but when that overhand right caught Earnie on the point of his jaw you knew he was in trouble. How he stood up as long as he did with Jerrys booming hooks to his body and rights to the head I don't know.
My comments were not intended to take anything away from Jerry Quarry. Jerry nailed him and finished him. However, Jerry was not a big heavyweight. I was surprised that he did it so easily.
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Yeah, and Cuevas soiled it

Nah, Hearns produced that brown substance all the way
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