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View Poll Results: What would be the outcome ?
Louis wins, by KO 40 76.92%
Louis wins, by decision 2 3.85%
Chagaev wins, by KO 7 13.46%
Chagaev wins, by decision 3 5.77%
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Old 02-03-2012, 04:24 AM   #16
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:14 AM   #17
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I pick Joe by UD but Chagaev would be one of the very best Louis had fought.
This is how I see it. Chagaev would be the most durable skilled fighter Louis fought, and one who can cover up well, and counter. Remember this is the man who beat Savon twice. In additon he is a southpaw. Louis looks slow to adapt on film, and easy to hit. In the 1930's or 1940's Chagaev's height and reach would not be a problem at all. I would pick Louis here, but its far from a slam dunk.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:31 AM   #18
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Chagaev would have wished he was in the ring with Wlad again if he fought Louis. Far more pain and damage suffered and a quicker more emphatic ko.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:16 AM   #19
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Chagaev is not as good as Walcott or Schmeling or Charles but it's likely that he'd be the best of the rest or thereabouts.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:55 AM   #20
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Chagaev is not as good as Walcott or Schmeling or Charles but it's likely that he'd be the best of the rest or thereabouts.
I personally favor Carnera, Baer, and the very best Sharkey against a wider range of heavyweights than I do Chagaev so I wouldn't categorically put him above these men (granted, Louis didn't necessarily fight all of them in the best of shapes).
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:47 AM   #21
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Chagaev might be about as good as Godoy or Farr.

Godoy and Farr both gave Louis hard fights.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:08 AM   #22
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Chagaev is not as good as Walcott or Schmeling or Charles but it's likely that he'd be the best of the rest or thereabouts.
I would take a prime Chagaev over the limited two-beat style of the undersized Schmeling and even money against the version of Charles and the overrated Walcott who fought Louis. In reality, that is. If we are using the misty-eyed, fantasy land reminiscences of overgrown adolescents, well then, both Charles and Walcott cast lightning from their brows and destroy Chag.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:24 AM   #23
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Ruslan Chagaev would have beaten every heavyweight champ pre-Liston.

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I would take a prime Chagaev over the limited two-beat style of the undersized Schmeling and even money against the version of Charles and the overrated Walcott who fought Louis. In reality, that is. If we are using the misty-eyed, fantasy land reminiscences of overgrown adolescents, well then, both Charles and Walcott cast lightning from their brows and destroy Chag.

Which Chagaev fights should I watch to get a handle on how good this modern warrior truly was ?
You seem to rate him highly.
The best I ever saw from him was against Ruiz, and it was a competent but fairly pedestrian performance.
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:36 AM   #24
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Which Chagaev fights should I watch to get a handle on how good this modern warrior truly was ?
You seem to rate him highly.
The best I ever saw from him was against Ruiz, and it was a competent but fairly pedestrian performance.
Chaggy was like grease lighting in a bottle VS Nikolai "Giant Sloth" Valuev - But i dunno maybe him looking good had a little something to do with Valuev being so bloody slow he looks like he is boxing from teh bottom of teh sea.

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Old 02-03-2012, 10:46 AM   #25
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Nicolay Valuev was a circus freak, a genetic fluke.

Not built for fighting at all, no muscle tone or athleticism, and obviously suffering from a hormonal disturbance, but he looked scary on the posters in those smoky old fight clubs, and the mobsters who ran boxing in those days were free to exploit him.

320 pounds of feather-fisted, baggy-skinned, decrepit neanderthal freakishness.

If he was fighting today, he'd be laughed out of every gym. Even mediocre amateurs would run rings around him.

But of course, in those days, when the heavyweight crown could be held by any barroom palooka or leather-faced farmhand who managed to stay sober enough to climb through the ring ropes, Valuev was actually what passed for a top-flight fighter ....
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Nicolay Valuev was a circus freak, a genetic fluke.

Not built for fighting at all, no muscle tone or athleticism, and obviously suffering from a hormonal disturbance, but he looked scary on the posters in those smoky old fight clubs, and the mobsters who ran boxing in those days were free to exploit him.

320 pounds of feather-fisted, baggy-skinned, decrepit neanderthal freakishness.

If he was fighting today, he'd be laughed out of every gym. Even mediocre amateurs would run rings around him.

But of course, in those days, when the heavyweight crown could be held by any barroom palooka or leather-faced farmhand who managed to stay sober enough to climb through the ring ropes, Valuev was actually what passed for a top-flight fighter ....
Comedy at its finest!
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:59 AM   #27
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I personally favor Carnera, Baer, and the very best Sharkey against a wider range of heavyweights than I do Chagaev so I wouldn't categorically put him above these men (granted, Louis didn't necessarily fight all of them in the best of shapes).
Agreed......

I would say Chagaev is more skilled than Baer ever was, but not more dangerous....
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:08 PM   #28
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Chagaev is not as good as Walcott or Schmeling or Charles but it's likely that he'd be the best of the rest or thereabouts.
I have to differ.

I think that it is verry questionable whether he is the best of the next teir.

That, alowing for the fact that you missed Baer and Carnera out of the first.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:30 PM   #29
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Chagaev might be about as good as Godoy or Farr.

Godoy and Farr both gave Louis hard fights.
Wlad could stop Chagaev but Louis couldn't?
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