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Old 02-10-2012, 03:41 AM   #256
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Footwork.

I have a foot fetish in boxing. I really love to watch fighters with good feet. I've seen fighters lose and win purely on their feet.

Footwork is a requirement in all level of boxing. Just like with anything else in boxing it has to be educated to be effective. Some fighters just move around without knowing why they're doing so. Good footwork is needed in all areas of the game. It's needed by the attacking pressure fighters as well as the defensive fighters. With good footwork you can cut the ring, change the distance, get yourself out of bad situations, control the pace of the fight etc. It's basically your base and root foundation to get your game started and get your rhythm going.

The objective should be to not just run as eventually you'll be found. But for defense to get out of range and for offense to get into range with them. Just moving around the ring without purpose and giving off a running impression will not do anything for you. You will waste a lot of motion and not impress the judges either. You'll also trap yourself in pressure spots in the ring. If you're an aggressive fighter with bad footwork it can mean the difference between stopping and getting to your opponent and getting outpointed as we saw with Khan/Maidana where Marcos Maidana was letting Khan survive mainly due to his poor feet and Khan was letting Maidana get to him with his poor feet. That fight was an illustration of everything not to do for either style with their feet. Khan wasn't circling effectively and Maidana wasn't cutting across properly. It was a smorgasbord of mistakes with the feet.

There's two types of footwork employed by fighters. One is the simple getting in and then out that most amatuer boxers use. This way of fighting with your feet requires in most cases that you use your feet for your first line of defense. I'm not a fan of it because you can't rely exclusively on your feet to avoid punches.

The other style of footwork and it's the more skilled way of using the the feet is to not just go in and out in one direction but to move round you're opponent in a tight circle when you punch AND when you're defending against an attack. It gives you many more angles for attack and openings. This requires a lot of skill and refinement because you can easily circle into a punch. You'll see fighters trying to circle in tight spots but end up just being smoke and mirrors and eventually circling into a punch. Boxing in tight circles you need a good dose of reflexes and timing as you're normally in close or in the pocket and you have to master how to pivot.

Watch how Zab Judah (the ultimate smoke and mirrors fighter) circles and dips into the power hand with poor footwork.


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One of the best guys to watch for in how to use educated feet is Miguel Canto. I loved the way he just glided on the top of canvas and befuddled his opponents with good footwork. So smooth and not much wasted motion. It basically made him the fighter that he was as he didn't have a lot to keep opponents honest, he had to master the science of footwork.

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Watch how Oscar De La Hoya outboxes Trinidad and gains the advantage with his footwork. Excuse the pathetic music. Oscar gave a masterclass in footwork in that fight. In and out of range. Keeping Trinidad guessing and not allowing him to set.

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Someone is to watch in this department is a young Holyfield. He use to bounce with real purpose on his toes.

Will add more later...

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Old 02-10-2012, 03:42 AM   #257
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And your detailed breakdown is to follow i suppose?
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:24 AM   #258
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Hopefully a breakdown of how shite JuanMa is
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:55 AM   #259
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One of the best displays of footwork over the past year was from Wlad against Haye (serious).
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:00 AM   #260
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Stopped reading there.


Hey, give me some points for least being brave enough to attempt it. We had nothing on footwork. I did say if somebody else would do it.

Btw, that was from a certain style point of view. I.e the fighter primarily fighting at long to mid range and keeping distance. Someone who presses the fight will of course be different.

The disclaimer is with these things that i'm not an expert, not claiming to be one and i'm not a writer so my wording is sometimes wrong. I would be much better just talking about it trust me.

I'm willing to learn so why don't you enlighten me and do a piece on footwork. I'm sure you'll do a much better job of it.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:06 AM   #261
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Some fighters train for far too long for a fight. No doubt about it. What happens is you can go past your peak in that period then you're left with not much in the tank come fight night. Most of that is because they're not fighting enough so they end up training way longer then they should for two dates a year.


Let's hope Khan gets it right and peaks at the right time.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:10 AM   #262
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Hey, give me some points for least being brave enough to attempt it. We had nothing on footwork. I did say if somebody else would do it.

Btw, that was from a certain style point of view. I.e the fighter primarily fighting at long to mid range and keeping distance. Someone who presses the fight will of course be different.

The disclaimer is with these things that i'm not an expert, not claiming to be one and i'm not a writer so my wording is sometimes wrong. I would be much better just talking about it trust me.

I'm willing to learn so why don't you enlighten me and do a piece on footwork. I'm sure you'll do a much better job of it.
Wouldn't waste your time on him until he contributes himself mate. I know how hard it can be to try and put everything into a post on a forum when you are trying to describe technical aspects of the sport.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:11 AM   #263
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Just tell him to play in traffic, silly cunt.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:14 AM   #264
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Pulling Slip up on Technical stuff Death wish....if he wasn't such a nice guy!

Go all 'me' on him Slip
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:15 AM   #265
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Hey, give me some points for least being brave enough to attempt it. We had nothing on footwork. I did say if somebody else would do it.

Btw, that was from a certain style point of view. I.e the fighter primarily fighting at long to mid range and keeping distance. Someone who presses the fight will of course be different.

The disclaimer is with these things that i'm not an expert, not claiming to be one and i'm not a writer so my wording is sometimes wrong. I would be much better just talking about it trust me.

I'm willing to learn so why don't you enlighten me and do a piece on footwork. I'm sure you'll do a much better job of it.
My only point was that you can't limit it to two different styles. One being Hatton and the other something like Khan at the start of his fights. Yes, they are aspects to it but ones inside and others outside and not the only way you can fight on the outside is to move like Khan.
Would have been better to say inside footwork and then labelled the different techniques involved in that and then gone onto the different fighting styles and how there footwork helps with that style.
That Zab Judah gif he did the same move seconds before he got hit with the ko shot. He was showboating here not that his footwork was at fault.

Footwork is so broad to talk about but you done a good job with your other inputs brother. HTH
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:21 AM   #266
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My only point was that you can't limit it to two different styles. One being Hatton and the other something like Khan at the start of his fights. Yes, they are aspects to it but ones inside and others outside and not the only way you can fight on the outside is to move like Khan.
Would have been better to say inside footwork and then labelled the different techniques involved in that and then gone onto the different fighting styles and how there footwork helps with that style.
That Zab Judah gif he did the same move seconds before he got hit with the ko shot. He was showboating here not that his footwork was at fault. HTH
I get ya, mate. I just put it together quickly without much thought, tbh.

I disagree with the Judah point though. His footwork WAS at fault. If you notice he circled into the back hand. Zab was one of those fighters who is style over substance and loses form with his technique and things he's doing. He sometimes isn't aware of where he is in the ring and foot placements.

So you ganna do a footwork piece or what?
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:24 AM   #267
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Pulling Slip up on Technical stuff Death wish....if he wasn't such a nice guy!

Go all 'me' on him Slip


I'll give it a pass, Flea. Don't want this descending into a slanging match.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:34 AM   #268
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I get ya, mate. I just put it together quickly without much thought, tbh.

I disagree with the Judah point though. His footwork WAS at fault. If you notice he circled into the back hand. Zab was one of those fighters who is style over subtstance and loses form with his technique and things he's doing. He sometimes isn't aware of where he is in the ring.

So you ganna do a footwork piece or what?
Got to still disagree here with Zab. He was clowning him all until that shot landed. For most of this round he was showboating by leaving his chin out to dry then pulling it back in. He did it when they were on the ropes. Then when they went out to the middle of the ring Zab decided to put his head well over his right foot again to slip the right, only he didn't get back across in time.

In what way was his footwork what caused him to get hit with that shot?


No lol footwork is so broad it would take days.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:38 AM   #269
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Mixing it up a bit I see, Christopher. You like the white men too it seems now.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:47 AM   #270
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I can only imagine the fail this would have been on the General Forum.

Good work, guys. I've even learned a little.
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