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Old 02-23-2012, 07:54 AM   #661
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Joe Frazier is a great example for this argument and is of course one of the best left hooks thrown with the thumb up. It doesn't get much better than that.

What Frazier used to say is the thumb up for the left hook is more powerful with the thumb pointing upwards. It's like picking something up with a clench fist or an open fist for some people in terms of how comfortable it is. I've done an excercise where i pointed out my left hook, got someone to pull it away with me trying to resist as hard as i could. I then tried it with the thumb down and i definitely noticed it was more easier to resist with the thumb up. It's very interesting. I was always told thumb down.
roy jones took a training session the real fight club in london and specifically addressed this. he said thumb up. and with thumb up you can throw multiple hooks. cant do that thumb down!
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As for modern s&c, two of the fastest fighters of the past few decades, Roy Jones and Mike Tyson, never used it, they were strictly old school.

When they did? Oh, yeah they were blowing out of their arses within a few rounds I imagine the scientific evidence doesn't mention that?
You just told the guy to leave it out of this thread!

Let's get back to the technical shit boys
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:55 AM   #663
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I'm so sorry norfolkinchance, genuine slip (excuse the pun)
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:55 AM   #664
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roy jones took a training session the real fight club in london and specifically addressed this. he said thumb up. and with thumb up you can throw multiple hooks. cant do that thumb down!
Yep. It's definitely more fluid.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:58 AM   #665
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As for modern s&c, two of the fastest fighters of the past few decades, Roy Jones and Mike Tyson, never used it, they were strictly old school.

When they did? Oh, yeah they were blowing out of their arses within a few rounds I imagine the scientific evidence doesn't mention that?

Doesn't prove anything. If you had evidence of a fighter's conditioning weakening as a result of changing from old school to modern methods then you would have a case.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:59 AM   #666
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I just gave you two examples, but don't worry about it. You must work in the field as you obviously have an agenda.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:00 AM   #667
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I just gave you two examples, but don't worry about it.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:03 AM   #669
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I don't thin it's fair to hammer modern conditioning for the aspect of fighters being tired after 12 rounds. They train for 12 rounds. If they get pushed by the opponent, they're gonna be tired.

On the other hand, I do think modern strength training can be a little dodge. It's true that the most explosive fighters of the modern era - Tyson, Jones, Lopez - eschewed weights at their best. But we saw only recently the inelasticity of a fighter who trains with weights in Tavoris Cloud. It's not a coincidence that many of the fighters famous for weight training - Bruno, Cloud, Mosley - don't have the same planes of movement as fighters who don't bother, though they may have certain advantages in strength, and nor is it a coincidence that when Tyson and Jones embraced weight-training it cost them in terms of mobility and elasticity.

I think weight-training has a place in boxing, but the idea that it lends itself to some inherent advantage is wrong.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:04 AM   #670
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How did I not? Jones is well-documented, his stamina dropped off big time when he started employing modern s&c. In fact I'm pretty sure his training regime for the first Tarver fight is online somewhere. And he gassed after two rounds
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I think that weight training gives certain fighters with certain styles an advantage.

Though I think a fighter like Ricky Hatton - his stamina kinda tailed off towards the end of his career, the more he did the weights. Clearly in this case it's necessary to consider 1000 pints of lager outside of training camp and the 20 takeaways a week diet too.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:11 AM   #672
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Haven't we dealt with weights already?
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How did I not? Jones is well-documented, his stamina dropped off big time when he started employing modern s&c. In fact I'm pretty sure his training regime for the first Tarver fight is online somewhere. And he gassed after two rounds
any source to verify this?
I've only heard about him using weights to train his upper body was for the Ruiz fight
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If someone's gonna' call me ignorant....
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:17 AM   #675
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It's worth noting that he was clearly a lot slower against Ruiz than his other HW fights.

He was tagged with a lot of jabs.....
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