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Old 04-08-2012, 07:25 AM   #1246
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Donaire IMO. Not many great ones around at the mo'.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:31 AM   #1247
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What does everyone think for how often Tyson fought and how it honed his development.

18 times in the first 12 months.

28 times in the first two years - including gaining the WBC Belt and about to capture the WBA.

Was it a good thing, did Tyson progress technically, should he have fought more or less.

What have happened if he took the path of the current prospects and there activity rate.
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:02 AM   #1248
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What does everyone think for how often Tyson fought and how it honed his development.

18 times in the first 12 months.

28 times in the first two years - including gaining the WBC Belt and about to capture the WBA.

Was it a good thing, did Tyson progress technically, should he have fought more or less.

What have happened if he took the path of the current prospects and there activity rate.
How was a guy like Tyson supposed to get good enough sparring and progress with a similar activity to guys like David Price? He didn't have the money to bring them in and I doubt anybody wants to pay him to be a sparing partner for long because of how deadly he was so his team did the right thing getting him fights and getting them often and it benefited him. He was getting valuable experience of actual fighting, of being in the dressing room before a fight, coping with expectations, building a fan base and putting the fear of God inside most of his future opponents because every other week he had knocked out another guy. It gave him a reason to be in the gym the whole time leaning and remaining sharp.

Having lots of fights is great, people get comfortable in the ring and gain experience. Carlos Baldomir wouldn't of beaten Zab and maybe not even Gatti without his experience. Everybody is different and some prospects get worn out by the number of fights they have but that could be any number of things other than getting hit to much and not getting the recovery time. There clearly wasn't a problem for a young Tyson though and he wasn't getting into wars because he was a KO machine with a good defence.
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:05 AM   #1249
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How was a guy like Tyson supposed to get good enough sparring and progress with a similar activity to guys like David Price? He didn't have the money to bring them in and I doubt anybody wants to pay him to be a sparing partner for long because of how deadly he was so his team did the right thing getting him fights and getting them often and it benefited him. He was getting valuable experience of actual fighting, of being in the dressing room before a fight, coping with expectations, building a fan base and putting the fear of God inside most of his future opponents because every other week he had knocked out another guy. It gave him a reason to be in the gym the whole time leaning and remaining sharp.

Having lots of fights is great, people get comfortable in the ring and gain experience. Carlos Baldomir wouldn't of beaten Zab and maybe not even Gatti without his experience. Everybody is different and some prospects get worn out by the number of fights they have but that could be any number of things other than getting hit to much and not getting the recovery time. There clearly wasn't a problem for a young Tyson though and he wasn't getting into wars because he was a KO machine with a good defence.

Ok thanks for your reply, do you think current prospects would be able to fight 3 times every 2 months.
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Old 04-15-2012, 12:59 PM   #1250
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Dont know if any of you have ever seen these, a series of instructional vidoes with a young David Lemiuex. Really clear & informative about the fundamentals. There are 18 videos in total, well worth a watch imho.

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Old 04-15-2012, 01:03 PM   #1251
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Tyson Kalule's switch to southpaw: doesn't look too comfortable IMO, though it's inadvertently made him think less about punching himself out (or was that intentional as well?)

Maybe he'll grow into it, but for me making him unsure is not the way to tighten up his defence. Rogan's wild rushes still made him react badly, though big men always do look bad under fire I guess. Good at clinching to get himself together though.

Not sold on the adjustment, but a decent showing from Tyson nonetheless, despite seemingly being outspends until he started to hurt Rogan.
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:59 PM   #1252
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Defending the jab & countering

Don Curry does a great job taking away the taller McCrory's jab. He keeps a high guard & not only blocks the jab, he also parries a lot with his right hand.

Curry start timing the jab & is able to slip inside & outside it, landing counters with both hands. The knockdown & penultimate punch in the 2nd round is a peach, Don steps inside the jab & uncorks a picture perfect left hook.

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Old 12-10-2012, 01:20 PM   #1253
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do you think current prospects would be able to fight 3 times every 2 months.
There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to. Inactivity is a detriment to development, It's a fighters worst enemy. They can get bored, get up to no good, get out of shape etc. Especially at an early stage of a prospects career. The more you do something, the better you get at it should be rule.

To your earlier post - Mike Tyson was brought along brilliently. I really like what they're doing with young Eubank Jr. He may not turn out to be the goods, but my goodness they're giving him the best chance to be as good as he can be.

At the top inactivity is even a bigger problem. Top fighters only fight twice a year now but just because that’s the norm it does not make it right. We need to see the best fighters in the world more often than twice a year. I’m not saying 5 times a year at the elite level. That would be unreasonable. But nobody can tell me that these guys can’t fight once every 4 months. My goodness it only takes two months to train.

I’m going to give you an interesting stat tell me what you think? Vitali Klitschko fought 3 times in 2009. Wlad did it in 2008. Nonito Donaire in 2010. Manny Pacquiao in 2008. Andre Ward in 2009. Something happened to each guy when they did that. Our perception of them enhanced. That extra fight per year, keeps them sharp, it improves them. It also gives the public an extra chance to see them.

I didn’t even go back too many years because you know those guys fought more often. But Oscar De La Hoya fought 5 times in '97 and guess what? that was probabily his best year. He knows something about staying in the public eye too.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:38 PM   #1254
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Tyson Kalule's switch to southpaw: doesn't look too comfortable IMO, though it's inadvertently made him think less about punching himself out (or was that intentional as well?)

Maybe he'll grow into it, but for me making him unsure is not the way to tighten up his defence. Rogan's wild rushes still made him react badly, though big men always do look bad under fire I guess. Good at clinching to get himself together though.

Not sold on the adjustment, but a decent showing from Tyson nonetheless, despite seemingly being outspends until he started to hurt Rogan.
For a moment there, Flea. I thought you were talking about Ayub's son. I was like...when the heck did Kalule's son join the party.

I thought we had a another smoke 'n' mirrors career to look forward to from Kalule jr. Like father like son.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:54 PM   #1255
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Defending the jab & countering

Don Curry does a great job taking away the taller McCrory's jab. He keeps a high guard & not only blocks the jab, he also parries a lot with his right hand.

Curry start timing the jab & is able to slip inside & outside it, landing counters with both hands. The knockdown & penultimate punch in the 2nd round is a peach, Don steps inside the jab & uncorks a picture perfect left hook.

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Peach of a shot. Man, Don Curry looked a million dollars that night. He's a perfect example of why we have to let things play out before anointing fighters.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:53 PM   #1256
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Peach of a shot. Man, Don Curry looked a million dollars that night. He's a perfect example of why we have to let things play out before anointing fighters.
Don's best performance imo, albeit against a good stylistic match up. Its a bit of a cliche but he really was a master boxer, a great blend of talent & technique.

One thing that always strikes me about Don is his guard, very high & forward with his thumbs towards his face.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:29 PM   #1257
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Don's best performance imo, albeit against a good stylistic match up. Its a bit of a cliche but he really was a master boxer, a great blend of talent & technique.

One thing that always strikes me about Don is his guard, very high & forward with his thumbs towards his face.
He looked to have EVERYTHING. Fundamentally very sound. I loved the way his elbows were super tucked and he was so fluid with his counters and combinations. Defense was solid and offense sensational, great to the body. Really did seem an heir apparent to Ray Leonard. Funny how it all plays out.

I think one of the reasons for his quick, dramatic decline was drug use. Cocaine was treated like candy back then.

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Old 12-10-2012, 04:28 PM   #1258
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think he l;eft a lot of himself in the sauna too.

plus suggestions of 400 amateur fights maybe contributed o him burning out
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Donaire IMO. Not many great ones around at the mo'.
I think Froch is a very good finisher.
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Marquez is a very solid finisher. Works the angles for punches beautifully.
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