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Old 02-13-2012, 08:58 PM   #31
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This workout has worked for me, and has transformed my body to almost where I want to be.
So this workout has done what to your body?

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All of you "experts" who claim to know everything about working out are most likely fat tubs of ****.
I've never seen anyone claim to be an expert or know everything.

Why exactly are the guys that know how to train optimally the ones that are likely to be "fat tubs of ****". What you just said is ****ing retarded.

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I am not a certified trainer, and i dont have scientific evidence to back what has worked,
Clearly.

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These exercises of course are not with a max load, just a weight in which you can finish the 3 sets of 20s.
Explain with your very limited knowledge why 3x20 is the best to do, if you can't explain why you should do something don't give the advice.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:58 PM   #32
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He's ok is charles but he's a bit mental or something - has personality episodes but to be fair he's a bit of a character at least. I like him more then Ylem the big pedo.
Cant everyone be "normal", and I like to embrace my craziness kinda makes me an individual to say the least.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:59 PM   #33
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I can probably do around 20 pull ups straight, I am sure you are going to claim to do more, but I can provide a video in case you don't believe me.
Post a video...
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:01 PM   #34
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So this workout has done what to your body?



I've never seen anyone claim to be an expert or know everything.

Why exactly are the guys that know how to train optimally the ones that are likely to be "fat tubs of ****". What you just said is ****ing retarded.



Clearly.



Explain with your very limited knowledge why 3x20 is the best to do, if you can't explain why you should do something don't give the advice.
Just from experience I have noticed when I do high amounts of sets with with lower reps for instance I have noticed I get stronger, but over a shorter period of time. I do the higher reps for muscular endurance.
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:02 PM   #35
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Post a video...
I will like I have done in the past, unfortunately I am "working" making a living, and can't do it for you at this moment. and I will post pictures of my body transformation from November until now. and just because someone claims they train properly doesn't mean they actually do. Also, I may not train "optimally", but I am still the only person to hook this guy up with a regimen that will increase muscular endurance. Even if someone isn't training optimally, any type of exercise can get you into the right shape with the right amount of intensity and proper form.

But if you have a better workout regimen, which you might, go ahead and post it I would love to try something new, I been doing this weightlifting program for a little bit, mind as well try something new
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:09 PM   #36
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By the way what videos have you posted ****, only thing I read from your posts is how much of an expert you claim to be. I wouldn't even take something you say with a grain of sale.
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:18 PM   #37
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By the way what videos have you posted ****, only thing I read from your posts is how much of an expert you claim to be.
Giving very basic advice on training means I claim to be an expert and I'm a ****? Are you upset because your routine is ****?

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I wouldn't even take something you say with a grain of sale.
I wouldn't take anything I say with a grain of "sale" either.

If you want to ignore my advice (even though I have a clue) then go ahead.

I don't see why you're insulting me for being knowledgeable on a subject you're ignorant of?

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I will like I have done in the past, unfortunately I am "working" making a living, and can't do it for you at this moment. and I will post pictures of my body transformation from November until now. and just because someone claims they train properly doesn't mean they actually do. Also, I may not train "optimally", but I am still the only person to hook this guy up with a regimen that will increase muscular endurance. Even if someone isn't training optimally, any type of exercise can get you into the right shape with the right amount of intensity and proper form.
You do realise muscular endurance is useless unless it's sports specific don't you? I guess not.

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But if you have a better workout regimen, which you might, go ahead and post it I would love to try something new, I been doing this weightlifting program for a little bit, mind as well try something new
I have many, many routines, but since I'm a "****" or "fat tub of ****" I won't bother telling you exactly why you're wrong with your awful routine.
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I am still the only person to hook this guy up with a regimen that will increase muscular endurance.
I posted up an article specifically related to strength training for combat athletes. Give it a read a realise just how horrible the routine you posted up really is. Reading one article won't make you an expert, but you should certainly pick up a little bit of knowledge.
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I can probably do around 20 pull ups straight, I am sure you are going to claim to do more, but I can provide a video in case you don't believe me. This isnt the only workouts I involve in my regimen, just a simple weight lifting routine. Don't knock something until you try it, I guess you were butthurt from what I said about your workout plan, but to be honest I didn't even read what your regimen consists of until after I said that, I was just messing around.
Hey loser, I do CrossFit 6 days a week, have videos and I run ultramarathons.My current routine is now being done AFTER I've blown "workouts" like yours out of the water.

Do you REALLY want to do this with me and be taken to a whole new level of butthurt?
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:47 PM   #41
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Hey loser, I do CrossFit 6 days a week, have videos and I run ultramarathons.My current routine is now being done AFTER I've blown "workouts" like yours out of the water.

Do you REALLY want to do this with me and be taken to a whole new level of butthurt?
Loser ok, since you are making personal attacks without even knowing me. I also do crossfit, you can search some of my past threads and see that. Pretty cool you do ultramarathons, and to be honest I wasn't directing anything towards what you say, because you do post some useful things quite regularly, and butthurt from an internet forum I don't think that is possible. Considering the fact that this forum isn't real life, and I get to see my family who I havent seen in 5 months in the next ten days, I am not sure you have the capability to take me to a "whole new level of butthurt", and I am not interested in finding out anyways that you partake in this "whole new level of butthurt"
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I posted up an article specifically related to strength training for combat athletes. Give it a read a realise just how horrible the routine you posted up really is. Reading one article won't make you an expert, but you should certainly pick up a little bit of knowledge.
I read it, and it was an awesome article. However, my routine might be horrible, but there is not one specific way to train.
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I read it, and it was an awesome article. However, my routine might be horrible, but there is not one specific way to train.
See, people take that "there is no one right way to train" line and run with it to the extremes. You are correct, there is no one specific 'correct' way to train, but there are plenty of wrong ways to train as well. You are also correct in that as long as you are training consistently, with good form and keeping the intensity up, then you are going to see results. But again, people run with that assumption and take it to ridiculous extremes and use it to justify doing idiotic or pointless things in the gym.

What you posted/what you've been doing is almost a perfect example of what not to do to build strength for combat sports/boxing. Seriously, doing that kind of routine 4 days a week and running what was it? 4-5 miles five times a week? You'd have ****** all time or energy left to actually train in the sport you're trying to be fit for.

This is part of the summary from that article, most people in the know would agree that this is a good outline for anyone trying to get stronger for almost any sport:


-Train the body as a unit, not a collection of small pieces
- - Your routine is built entirely around isolation exercises
-Focus most of your time around compound movements
- - Only one of your days has more than one compound movement, 'day 2', when you're doing 3 sets of 20 bent over rows, followed by 3 sets of 20(!) deadlifts.
-Develop a strong core
- - Due to the glaring lack of compound exercises, your routine would do very little for core strength, and the only time you do squats you're doing it on a smith machine.
-Incorporate variety into your strength program
- - Can't really argue with that...
-Never sacrifice skill and conditioning for strength work
- - Covered this above
-Focus on quality over quantity
- - Perhaps your biggest folly, you're doing loads of different things, but not focusing on anything except doing lots of reps on lots of different things.
-Keep strength workouts brief, 2 to 3 days per week
- - Closely related to the above point. Even done as a circuit that workout would take ages. 3 sets of 20 for everything is just crazy, and would do little for strength gains.
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See, people take that "there is no one right way to train" line and run with it to the extremes. You are correct, there is no one specific 'correct' way to train, but there are plenty of wrong ways to train as well. You are also correct in that as long as you are training consistently, with good form and keeping the intensity up, then you are going to see results. But again, people run with that assumption and take it to ridiculous extremes and use it to justify doing idiotic or pointless things in the gym.

What you posted/what you've been doing is almost a perfect example of what not to do to build strength for combat sports/boxing. Seriously, doing that kind of routine 4 days a week and running what was it? 4-5 miles five times a week? You'd have ****** all time or energy left to actually train in the sport you're trying to be fit for.

This is part of the summary from that article, most people in the know would agree that this is a good outline for anyone trying to get stronger for almost any sport:


-Train the body as a unit, not a collection of small pieces
- - Your routine is built entirely around isolation exercises
-Focus most of your time around compound movements
- - Only one of your days has more than one compound movement, 'day 2', when you're doing 3 sets of 20 bent over rows, followed by 3 sets of 20(!) deadlifts.
-Develop a strong core
- - Due to the glaring lack of compound exercises, your routine would do very little for core strength, and the only time you do squats you're doing it on a smith machine.
-Incorporate variety into your strength program
- - Can't really argue with that...
-Never sacrifice skill and conditioning for strength work
- - Covered this above
-Focus on quality over quantity
- - Perhaps your biggest folly, you're doing loads of different things, but not focusing on anything except doing lots of reps on lots of different things.
-Keep strength workouts brief, 2 to 3 days per week
- - Closely related to the above point. Even done as a circuit that workout would take ages. 3 sets of 20 for everything is just crazy, and would do little for strength gains.
You make a lot of awesome points, that I should consider. I figured I would add I do my boxing workouts for around an hour a day. They include jumping rope, shadow boxing, double end bag, heavy bag, and the occassional spar when I got someone who trains for boxing. It is hard being here with no trainer or anything to tell me what I am doing wrong, or ways to trainer smarter and not harder. Like I said I train close to 3 hours a day 5-6 days a week. If there is a way to trainer better then I am all ears.
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Loser ok, since you are making personal attacks without even knowing me. I also do crossfit, you can search some of my past threads and see that. Pretty cool you do ultramarathons, and to be honest I wasn't directing anything towards what you say, because you do post some useful things quite regularly, and butthurt from an internet forum I don't think that is possible. Considering the fact that this forum isn't real life, and I get to see my family who I havent seen in 5 months in the next ten days, I am not sure you have the capability to take me to a "whole new level of butthurt", and I am not interested in finding out anyways that you partake in this "whole new level of butthurt"
I take what you said about the thread I created that I and many posters contributed to, especially since I've spent countless hours of research and testing it to see what would and wouldn't work in combat situations, very personal.

This forum IS real life because some of us that give advice actually do and compete and we try to pass it on to those willing to listen. When Virus, Mr. Small, lefty or Brown Bomber speak up, I shut the **** up and digest what they say because they know and BB competes at a much higher level thn you'll ever probably see.

I don't give a **** about whether you see your family or not, what I do give a **** about is you giving some newb the wrong impression and pushing a ****ty program that will more than likely end up failing them. THAT'S what bothers me.
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