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Old 01-02-2008, 10:22 AM   #16
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The title? Is that one of the many alphabet belts or is that the undisputed championship?
I guess the distinction of being the man at a respective weight class. Floyd doesnt have all the belts and as a result is not really undisputed pre se but he's "The MAN" at 147.

Same with Calzaghe at 168,
Pavlik at 160,
Wlad at HW.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:37 AM   #17
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I guess the distinction of being the man at a respective weight class. Floyd doesn't have all the belts and as a result is not really undisputed per se, but he's "The MAN" at 147.

Same with Calzaghe at 168,
Pavlik at 160,
Wlad at HW.
No, Floyd is not "The Man" at 147. He is (merely) a bankable superstar and P4P number one, but he has not proven himself the best in his current weight division.
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:00 AM   #18
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No, Floyd is not "The Man" at 147. He is (merely) a bankable superstar and P4P number one, but he has not proven himself the best in his current weight division.
Then disregard. Because, thats a different arguement altogether.
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:19 PM   #19
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man I hate algebra!
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:55 PM   #20
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My sentiments exactly but if that is the case why is Ezzard Charles given the distinction as the greatest LHW ever?

He was never the champion. Yes he beat Burley, Moore, etc. but he never had that "X" on his head.
I think in Charles' case, the assumption was that he would have been champion, had he been given a shot in the late 40's. That's borne out by his five victories over Maxim, three over Moore, and reversals of the losses that he suffered to Marshall and Bivens earlier in his career.

Charles doesn't fit into this particular occasion because he never got the chance to win the title. Had he done so, he likely would have enjoyed a pretty lengthy reign before moving up to heavyweight.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:09 PM   #21
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Fighters seem to think the title is important.
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Old 01-03-2008, 08:21 AM   #22
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Why are you bastards always overlooking Fighter D?
You can't hold the man down forever.
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Old 01-03-2008, 08:32 AM   #23
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My sentiments exactly but if that is the case why is Ezzard Charles given the distinction as the greatest LHW ever?

He was never the champion. Yes he beat Burley, Moore, etc. but he never had that "X" on his head.
But he is not, and does not qualify for #1 because he decided (probably financially wisely) to move up to Heavyweight...
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:51 AM   #24
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Why are you bastards always overlooking Fighter D?
You can't hold the man down forever.

Fighter D is too Green.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:53 AM   #25
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Thing about Charles though (if he fits Fighter B), he did beat Mooore (who could resemble Fighter A) three out of three. If something like this appeared in opening post then I'm sure many would have gone for Fighter B as the better man.
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Thing about Charles though (if he fits Fighter B), he did beat Mooore (who could resemble Fighter A) three out of three. If something like this appeared in opening post then I'm sure many would have gone for Fighter B as the better man.
Moore was Champion.

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Old 01-03-2008, 10:59 AM   #27
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Moore was Champion.

I know. Did you not read the post?
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Old 01-03-2008, 11:02 AM   #28
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Fighter D is too Green.
That's just Fighter C propaganda.
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Old 01-03-2008, 01:20 PM   #29
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Here's the scenario:

Fighter A - popular fighter, feasts on field of tomato cans and gets an underserved title shot. He wins the title and cleans out most of the division before losing to fighter C.

Fighter B - Workhorse, not as popular as fighter A though has a similar style to Fighter A. Politics deny him a title shot but cleans out most of the division before finally getting a chance at the title only to lose to Fighter C.

Who goes down as the greater fighter assuming they retire after thier first loss?
Obviously fighter B is better since apparently fighter A blatantly ducked him for years knowing he wouldd get the pants beat off of him if he ever stepped into the ring against B.
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I know. Did you not read the post?
I occasionally suffer from foot in mouth syndrome, now its carrying over to my post
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