Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum...

Russell · 01-01-2008, 09:56 PM

View these two fights?

How do you feel they'll be viewed in 20-30 years time?

Who do you feel won both of them and why?

Russell · 01-01-2008, 09:57 PM

Was it a money issue, with the title needing to be given to a younger, fresher up and coming fighter?

dpw417 · 01-01-2008, 09:59 PM

I felt Hopkins won both of them quite honestly...The first fight by a larger margin...the second fight was very close...I thought Hopkins would press Taylor earlier in the fight...but he didn't.

Thread Stealer · 01-01-2008, 10:00 PM

They were both very close fights.

Hopkins's workrate has been low since the 3rd Allen fight in 2004, probably the signs of his advanced age. He started very slowly against Taylor in terms of letting his hands go, but Taylor wasn't landing much either. I had the first fight even. Duane Ford scoring the 12th round for Taylor, and therefore Taylor won the fight, was a disgrace. What do you expect from a guy who had Foreman losing to Moorer by just one point after nine rounds?

I had Hopkins winning the rematch. It was another close fight with a lot of very close rounds, so I didn't really have much of a problem with the cards.

Russell · 01-01-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Erratic Behavior

They were both very close fights.

Hopkins's workrate has been low since the 3rd Allen fight in 2004, probably the signs of his advanced age. He started very slowly against Taylor in terms of letting his hands go, but Taylor wasn't landing much either. I had the first fight even. Duane Ford scoring the 12th round for Taylor, and therefore Taylor won the fight, was a disgrace. What do you expect from a guy who had Foreman losing to Moorer by just one point after nine rounds?

Was there a reason behind the cards seemingly being stacked against Hopkins?

PhillyPhan69 · 01-02-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dpw417

I felt Hopkins won both of them quite honestly...The first fight by a larger margin...the second fight was very close...I thought Hopkins would press Taylor earlier in the fight...but he didn't.

I have B-hop winning the first and a draw in the second. With a total fight perspective I would clearly give both to B-Hop...but with the 10 pt must I had it 115-113 and 114-114...he landed more and better blows, but using the scoring system in place I can't give him a win in the 2nd one....but either way the title should still be his...I am disappointed in the decision, but can't call it a major robbery by comparrison to some others. I also thought/hoped/wished Hop would press the action earlier as well...especially in pt 2

teeto · 01-02-2008, 10:32 AM

I thought that Hopkins won the first and Taylor the second , the first may have been a draw , but ill stick with Hopkins won it

dmille · 01-02-2008, 10:42 AM

Before the fight please put the champion's name first. Examples:

Hopkins-Taylor 1
Taylor-Hopkins 2

After the fight please put the winner's name first. Examples:

Frazier-Ali 1
Duran-Leonard 1

Thank you.

My dinner with Conteh · 01-02-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by teeto

I thought that Hopkins won the first and Taylor the second , the first may have been a draw

I agree with the bits in bold. How will they be viewed in 20/30 time (as the author states)? As two of the most boring fights in history of course. Hopkins' performance in fight two was particularly poor, considering what happened in fight one. The first fight, which i felt was a draw or Taylor by a point, saw Hopkins the victim of the 10-point must system, he'd have been given the nod in some of the older scoring ways but, alas, this completely dull era for, in my view, boxing's best division, came to an end and tears were few and far between. The rematch Taylor won.

Senya13 · 01-02-2008, 11:25 AM

Hopkins won the first, but lost the rematch on my scorecard.

teeto · 01-02-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

I agree with the bits in bold. How will they be viewed in 20/30 time (as the author states)? As two of the most boring fights in history of course. Hopkins' performance in fight two was particularly poor, considering what happened in fight one. The first fight, which i felt was a draw or Taylor by a point, saw Hopkins the victim of the 10-point must system, he'd have been given the nod in some of the older scoring ways but, alas, this completely dull era for, in my view, boxing's best division, came to an end and tears were few and far between. The rematch Taylor won.

I wouldnt call their fight boring , i know what you mean , but thats just showing no respect . Hopkins is a great fighter , and Taylor was a potential great at the time , i liked it

My dinner with Conteh · 01-02-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by teeto

I wouldnt call their fight boring , i know what you mean , but thats just showing no respect . Hopkins is a great fighter , and Taylor was a potential great at the time , i liked it

Fair enough. Maybe some people liked watching Joey Maxim and Johnny Saxton too, back in the day?

teeto · 01-02-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

Fair enough. Maybe some people liked watching Joey Maxim and Johnny Saxton too, back in the day?

sweet_scientist · 01-02-2008, 09:40 PM

First fight: 115-114 Taylor

I gave Hopkins rounds 5,9,10,11 and 12. I gave Taylor rounds 1,2,4,6,7 and 8. I had round 3 even.

Second fight: 115-115 Draw

I gave Hopkins rounds 4,7,8,9 and 10. I gave Taylor rounds 1,2,5,6 and 11. I had rounds 3 and 12 even.

Both fights could have gone either way and both guys were so horrible that it doesn't matter which way the fights actually did go.

How will they be remembered? Hopefully they will be forgotten. Not too important to Hopkins' legacy imo, he was fairly done by that stage, but to those that consider his subsequent wins against Tarver and Wright important (don't really consider Tarver win that important and I don't think he beat Wright whilst Wright was fighting way outside his comfort zone) they may have some relevance.

rekcutnevets · 01-02-2008, 09:52 PM

I thought that Hopkins looked like the better fighter in both fights, but lost close decisions in both fights. Taylor's blows were heavier, and were the deciding factor in rounds that were close. Especially since nothing was going on in some of those rounds. I respect Hopkins' feinting when it sets something up. Otherwise, he's just making threats. Hopkins lost because he was not active enough, early enough.

When Manny Pacquiao drew with Juan Manuel Marquez, I thought Marquez should have lost by like a point. Marquez looked like the better fighter in a fight he should have lost. Hopkins looked like the better fighter in a fight he could have won had he been a little more active in the early stages.

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dpw417 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,172 vCash: 248	Re: Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum... I felt Hopkins won both of them quite honestly...The first fight by a larger margin...the second fight was very close...I thought Hopkins would press Taylor earlier in the fight...but he didn't.
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Thread Stealer P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 17,103 vCash: 1000	Re: Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum... They were both very close fights. Hopkins's workrate has been low since the 3rd Allen fight in 2004, probably the signs of his advanced age. He started very slowly against Taylor in terms of letting his hands go, but Taylor wasn't landing much either. I had the first fight even. Duane Ford scoring the 12th round for Taylor, and therefore Taylor won the fight, was a disgrace. What do you expect from a guy who had Foreman losing to Moorer by just one point after nine rounds? I had Hopkins winning the rematch. It was another close fight with a lot of very close rounds, so I didn't really have much of a problem with the cards.
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teeto Next Level Predictions East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Team Ireland Manor, Easing Pabuiao into the life of managing the GOAT Posts: 33,956 vCash: 1000	Re: Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum... I thought that Hopkins won the first and Taylor the second , the first may have been a draw , but ill stick with Hopkins won it
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dmille Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 1,907 vCash: 1000	Re: Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum... Before the fight please put the champion's name first. Examples: Hopkins-Taylor 1 Taylor-Hopkins 2 After the fight please put the winner's name first. Examples: Frazier-Ali 1 Duran-Leonard 1 Thank you.
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Senya13 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 3,299 vCash: 1210	Re: Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum... Hopkins won the first, but lost the rematch on my scorecard.
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01-02-2008, 09:40 PM	#14
sweet_scientist Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,300 vCash: 1000	Re: Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum... First fight: 115-114 Taylor I gave Hopkins rounds 5,9,10,11 and 12. I gave Taylor rounds 1,2,4,6,7 and 8. I had round 3 even. Second fight: 115-115 Draw I gave Hopkins rounds 4,7,8,9 and 10. I gave Taylor rounds 1,2,5,6 and 11. I had rounds 3 and 12 even. Both fights could have gone either way and both guys were so horrible that it doesn't matter which way the fights actually did go. How will they be remembered? Hopefully they will be forgotten. Not too important to Hopkins' legacy imo, he was fairly done by that stage, but to those that consider his subsequent wins against Tarver and Wright important (don't really consider Tarver win that important and I don't think he beat Wright whilst Wright was fighting way outside his comfort zone) they may have some relevance. Last edited by sweet_scientist; 01-03-2008 at 12:22 AM.
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rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,541 vCash: 1000	Re: Hopkins/Taylor - How Does the Classic Forum... I thought that Hopkins looked like the better fighter in both fights, but lost close decisions in both fights. Taylor's blows were heavier, and were the deciding factor in rounds that were close. Especially since nothing was going on in some of those rounds. I respect Hopkins' feinting when it sets something up. Otherwise, he's just making threats. Hopkins lost because he was not active enough, early enough. When Manny Pacquiao drew with Juan Manuel Marquez, I thought Marquez should have lost by like a point. Marquez looked like the better fighter in a fight he should have lost. Hopkins looked like the better fighter in a fight he could have won had he been a little more active in the early stages.
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