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Old 10-26-2012, 06:18 AM   #1
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Default Is confidence in fighting off your back counterproductive?

I'm talking about it from a scoring perspective.

I've noticed that some great BJJ guys who are great off their backs or just very confident with their ground game, seems to let themselves get taken down.

However, more often than not, getting taken down seems like an automatic point for the guy who shoots. Depending on how a judge views things.

I know that they can easily get a submission, or probably sweep and be on top. But what if they don't, and they gave away a takedown?
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:44 AM   #2
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Default Re: Is confidence in fighting off your back counterproductive?

Possibly. But if their ground work is really strong, and their going to get smashed on their feet then surely keeping it standing is worse?

And plus it's not counter-productive if they then go on and win the fight by submission is it?
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:11 AM   #3
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Default Re: Is confidence in fighting off your back counterproductive?

It's a price they pay fighting their fight.

Not 100% sure on how they judge but boxing judging would say Voluntary takedown is hardly receiving an act of affective aggression. More of a mutual transition of the fight, arguably even an points for ring generalship

Say a wrestler fighting bjj technician, no surprises where this fight is heading.

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Old 10-26-2012, 04:54 PM   #4
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BJJ Blackbelt Maia throwing Wrestler Sonnen:

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Old 10-26-2012, 05:14 PM   #5
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Not if the scoring system gets the makeover that it needs.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:30 PM   #6
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:55 PM   #7
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Default Re: Is confidence in fighting off your back counterproductive?

Yeah I always basicly thought it was a bad way to fight. I used to have bjj guys I would ground fight with and they were always pulling guard. They thought it was the end all and be all of ground fighting because of the Gracies I guess.

Its good sometimes, but during the 90s and early 2000s the bbj guys were really limited themselfs imo because they were always wanting to pull guard, the ones I did ground work with anyway.

It used to bother me because they thought it was the best way to fight on the ground because of Gracie. It has its good points though.
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:53 PM   #8
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This BJJer seems to be doing a lot of takedowns:

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Old 10-26-2012, 10:56 PM   #9
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Default Re: Is confidence in fighting off your back counterproductive?

you always want to fight on top if you can but when the guy absolutely refuses to go to the ground with you pulling guard can be a necessity
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:04 AM   #10
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Default Re: Is confidence in fighting off your back counterproductive?

Depends. If you are a BJJ expert and you are fighting a striker with no JJ that is kicking your arse standing up, pulling guard and fighting off your back can only be a good thing.
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:05 AM   #11
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The conventional wisdom on Carlos Condit is that he can be so dynamic with his striking because he is so confident fighting off of his back.

Confidence in fighting off of your back can translate into confidence in throwing kicks, knees or any other strike that could leave you open to being taken down.
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The conventional wisdom on Carlos Condit is that he can be so dynamic with his striking because he is so confident fighting off of his back.

Confidence in fighting off of your back can translate into confidence in throwing kicks, knees or any other strike that could leave you open to being taken down.
Same can be said for guys like Mousasi, Shogun, Torres, and the Diaz brothers. Without worrying about the takedown, your striking game really opens up.
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:37 AM   #13
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Pettis too !
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Old 10-27-2012, 03:58 AM   #14
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Yes, he too.

Personally, I like to call them complete fighters. It's a crazy term, but I think it works.
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Yeah I always basicly thought it was a bad way to fight. I used to have bjj guys I would ground fight with and they were always pulling guard. They thought it was the end all and be all of ground fighting because of the Gracies I guess.

Its good sometimes, but during the 90s and early 2000s the bbj guys were really limited themselfs imo because they were always wanting to pull guard, the ones I did ground work with anyway.

It used to bother me because they thought it was the best way to fight on the ground because of Gracie. It has its good points though.


These days seems to have changed quite a bit and evened out with more throws and sweeps.
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