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Old 03-09-2012, 06:39 PM   #16
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All you ****s that like to dump on a long dead name from the past like Dempsey..even Jeffries and make moral judgements about them being "racist" should apply the same treatment to modern day racists like Hopkins...and the lovable icon Muhammad Ali as well...among others. tar and feather them for their racist sentiments as well...or just shut the **** up about it.
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Old 03-09-2012, 06:44 PM   #17
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Surf-Bat posted some things about Jeffries that make us think and perhaps itīs not right we judge him like that.....I donīt know......but if he truly was from the opinion that "the white man was superior" or shouldnīt have the same oportunities or something like that, then...well......he is at least like Hopkins as Red said.....or Mayweather, with his racists comments too...
Thanks Vic...I left out "say what the **** I wanna say" Mayweather as well...
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:14 PM   #18
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Thank you.
Sick of idiots calling them racists.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:28 AM   #19
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:46 AM   #20
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Thank you.
Sick of idiots calling them racists.
Makes these people feel NOBLE,and above us....Racism is a TWO way street, but some get a FREE pass...Cheers
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:21 AM   #21
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Of course Jeffries was racist. But racism was normal for his time. But it's not "wrong" to call a racists a racist just because he was a racist a long time ago. All the slave owners were racists of the worst kind, you don't excuse them because it was accepted in his culture that blacks were de-humanised, you just try and understand that this was the case.
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:44 AM   #22
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Professional boxers get paid to hit each other in the head. They are athletes, fighters.
It's bemusing the amount of discussion there is on their moral or political beliefs.

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All you ****s that like to dump on a long dead name from the past like Dempsey..even Jeffries and make moral judgements about them being "racist" should apply the same treatment to modern day racists like Hopkins...and the lovable icon Muhammad Ali as well...among others. tar and feather them for their racist sentiments as well...or just shut the **** up about it.
Ironically, to the mainstream Muhammad Ali has become a symbol of racial equality, racial harmony and justice etc. But some of the quotes attributed to him from the 1960s and 70s are some of the most vile racist quotes ever attributed to any fighter. And I don't even think that can be 'excused' for being in step with the times.
But, hey, the whole world is phoney.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:46 PM   #23
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So what you're saying is your Grandad was a Nazi Anti-Semite supporter of Holocaust and it's cool because his friends and family were also Nazi Anti-Semite supporters of the Holocaust. Cool story brah

Dempsey wasn't a racist, Jeffries was
Nah, there is a difference. Everybody during the holocaust knew what they were doing was wrong. Evidence, they tried to hide it, there are about no documents, no orders or anything. On the other hand the people in the 19th century and earlier in most parts of the US "knew" whites were superior to blacks. Thereīs quite a difference between those two. The nazis knew they were doing wrong, the racists back then didnīt - which doesnīt make their behaviour any better though.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:50 PM   #24
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Sounds like your grandma wanted a blk man to rape her
Now I already regret answering your other post.
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Nah, there is a difference. Everybody during the holocaust knew what they were doing was wrong. Evidence, they tried to hide it, there are about no documents, no orders or anything. On the other hand the people in the 19th century and earlier in most parts of the US "knew" whites were superior to blacks. Thereīs quite a difference between those two. The nazis knew they were doing wrong, the racists back then didnīt - which doesnīt make their behaviour any better though.
Did Hitler think the holocaust was wrong ?
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Did Hitler think the holocaust was wrong ?
Nah, he thought he was right but he knew that everybody else would think it was wrong.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:02 PM   #28
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Nah, he thought he was right but he knew that everybody else would think it was wrong.
Yeah ..... apart from all those who thought it was right.
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I think that a person holding those atitudes in that period, is less disturbing than somebody holding thge same atitudes today.

People are only as bad as their upbringing!
I agree with this.....itīs less disturbing.....but.....

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I'd like to point out that being of racist times does not automatically exempt anyone from actually being racist. Is it more understandable? Of course, but not wanting to associate with people of different ethnicities or anything like that is still racism, whenever and whereever you happened to exist.
itīs still racism...agreed....

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But racism was normal for his time. But it's not "wrong" to call a racists a racist just because he was a racist a long time ago. All the slave owners were racists of the worst kind, you don't excuse them because it was accepted in his culture that blacks were de-humanised, you just try and understand that this was the case.
agreed...

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Nah, there is a difference. Everybody during the holocaust knew what they were doing was wrong. Evidence, they tried to hide it, there are about no documents, no orders or anything. On the other hand the people in the 19th century and earlier in most parts of the US "knew" whites were superior to blacks. Thereīs quite a difference between those two. The nazis knew they were doing wrong, the racists back then didnīt - which doesnīt make their behaviour any better though.
I got what youīre saying.....definitely......but I think that the neonazis from today also "know" they are "right"...works that way in their minds.....I just read one day some posts in that forum Stormfront, someone posted in the Lounge, and they pretty much talk like if what they are doing is simply the most normal and right thing in the world :......and many of them were born and raised in families with that type of mentality....
Well.....thatīs my view anyway.....and works both ways, for white racists and black racists....

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Old 03-10-2012, 03:10 PM   #30
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Jack wasntracist. Racism implies actively being racist. He only passively allowed racism to happen by choosing not to get involved by NOT protesting his managers aim to disclude black opponents.


He was a child of his times, in that he'd let racism from others happen without protesting. For instance, I am guessing he'd watch a lynching of a black, enjoy the free drinks on hand and would not try and stop it, but he wouldnt takean active part in the actual lynching himself.

Much like he was happy to accept when he was told he shouldnt fight blacks, he was ready to accept the status quo of white race hat, but he wouldnt actually go out there and stop blacks fighting whites on hisown accord.

Obviously today he'd be in court for either act (which is obvoiously the legit and normal view).
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