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Old 03-10-2012, 12:15 AM   #1
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Default Max Baer v James Smith

The heavyweight hysteria is overrunning this board. However, I want to put forth this great HW puncher v puncher battle. Two guys who came to KO, largely with big right hands, one had a bit more endurance, the other a better record against larger foes.


Who wins this battle than each and everyone of you would pay top dollar to witness?
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:39 AM   #2
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Interesting. Most will side with Baer, however, Smith is a live dog here.

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Old 03-10-2012, 12:51 AM   #3
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Baer beats the bone-crusher and turns him into the bone-clutcher
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Old 03-10-2012, 06:58 AM   #4
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Baer...next question...
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:06 AM   #5
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The heavyweight hysteria is overrunning this board. However, I want to put forth this great HW puncher v puncher battle. Two guys who came to KO, largely with big right hands, one had a bit more endurance, the other a better record against larger foes.

Who wins this battle than each and everyone of you would pay top dollar to witness?
How many rounds?! Under 12, I go with Smith.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:11 AM   #6
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I always liked and rooted for the Bonecrusher, but there's absolutely no way he would have been able to handle baer's right...without going into the same survival mode tactics he used vs Tyson.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:51 AM   #7
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Two guys who came to KO
And both often came to wander around the ring doing very little.

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one had a bit more endurance, the other a better record against larger foes.
Which one is which ?
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:33 PM   #8
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Smith, by his own admission, had a tendency to tighten up and be unable to pull the trigger. Except for the final result, Smith-Bruno and Tyson-Smith were very similar in composition.

Max didn't freeze up like that. He'd sometimes hold back after the Campbell tragedy, and might clown around, but he otherwise didn't have trouble letting his fists go. He was exchanging good hard jabs late with Schmeling.

I think this one could well last the distance, and Maxie would accumulate an insurmountable lead relatively early. King Levinski 2X, Heeney II, Risko, and Farr II are respectable decisions (especially Farr II over the championship distance). James didn't really produce any impressive curfew verdicts over mid career opposition of that caliber. Bey, we now know was on the slide, and in the rematch with Weaver, Hercules was way past his best. Baer-DeKuh could be likened to Smith-Ribalta. If this goes the limit, what evidence there is favors the Larruper.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:49 PM   #9
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I always liked and rooted for the Bonecrusher, but there's absolutely no way he would have been able to handle baer's right...without going into the same survival mode tactics he used vs Tyson.
Not a remotely close analogy in my book ... Bonecrusher took bombs from Bruno without flinching and in my opinion Bruno was a bigger puncher than Baer ... Tyson's rare combo of power and speed are what overwhelmed Smith .. this fight easily could have went either way .. two big men, big punchers with good chins ...
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Not a remotely close analogy in my book ... Bonecrusher took bombs from Bruno without flinching and in my opinion Bruno was a bigger puncher than Baer ... Tyson's rare combo of power and speed are what overwhelmed Smith .. this fight easily could have went either way .. two big men, big punchers with good chins ...
You can't be serious....
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:03 PM   #11
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I think Baer's power is overrated because he fought in an era of beanpole heavies who weren't shredded. If he was around in the 90's his name would have Lionel Butler.
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Baer's power is underrated, and Smith's chin is generally overrated. On that theory, it does not look good for Bonecrusher. But Baer often fought to his opponents level, and was often never worse when overconfident, so maybe Smith could be in with a chance of a upset.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:18 PM   #13
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That said, I'm pretty sure Lionel Butler would have taken out a pasty Tommy Farr who was on the slide. So, I guess I have to rate Baer as slightly above average in Modern Power but just dandy for Old Timer Clout.
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That said, I'm pretty sure Lionel Butler would have taken out a pasty Tommy Farr who was on the slide. So, I guess I have to rate Baer as slightly above average in Modern Power but just dandy for Old Timer Clout.
Tony Galento who fought Joe Louis, Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Lou Nova and Lorenzo Pack said Maxie hit the hardest, so i think he hits a bit harder than you give him credit for.
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Tony Galento who fought Joe Louis, Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Lou Nova and Lorenzo Pack said Maxie hit the hardest, so i think he hits a bit harder than you give him credit for.
That's all well and good, but none of those guys was yoked and shredded like guys are now.

Max had good, old-time power, like, say, a Packard Twelve was good, old-time fast.

But put in him in amongst moderns and we would call him Alex Garcia.
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