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Old 03-19-2012, 05:29 PM   #16
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Jack "Doc" Kearns, who managed Joey Maxim, tells an interesting tale of trying to match Robinson with Maxim. He claimed that Robinson balked at the proposed bout, but Doc told him "You just don't have this thing in the right perspective. You know, as well as I do, that while I've tried to build Maxim up as a new Dempsey for several years now he can't hardly knock your hat off with a baseball bat." (Con, sure. But I wanted the match.) "This is probably the greatest chance you'll ever have to win the light heavyweight championship of the world. No matter what happens, you can't get hurt. Maxim doesn't punch that hard. Now if we have to fight Moore for the title, he'll probably beat us. And, while I think you're a helluva fighter, Ray, I don't think you could whip Archie if they let you carry a meat cleaver. But Maxim, now, well that's a different story." Robinson said "You're a foxy fellow, Doc, but I've got to admit maybe you're right at that. And I'd sure like to have another title before I step down."

If we are to believe Doc Kearns, it was he (and Maxim) who pursued Robinson for the match.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:51 PM   #17
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I see what you mean but surely with Robinson being the considerably smaller man in the fight he's going to have to expend alot more energy anyway? That's why I cut Robinson some slack for the Maxim fight.

You lose a lot of energy against a naturally bigger man like that because you tend to need to use a lot of movement and you're more likely to be getting pushed around on the inside which saps alot of energy.

What's everyone elses thoughts on this?
It's not like the heat came on instantaneously. Maxim had the heat problem as well.

Any fighter can go balls to the wall for a handful of rounds and gas late on after being up on points.

The bottom line is that his gameplan wasn't feasible for a victory.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:30 PM   #18
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According to the knowledgeable posters of the classic forum in 1950 he suddenly became an unskilled, untalented bum. Thous all his faults such as using the wrong stragity and costing him wins don't count.
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:02 AM   #19
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According to the knowledgeable posters of the classic forum in 1950 he suddenly became an unskilled, untalented bum. Thous all his faults such as using the wrong stragity and costing him wins don't count.
Didn't you admit in a Lounge thread that you had an IQ of 90?
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:56 AM   #20
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Didn't you admit in a Lounge thread that you had an IQ of 90?
we don't do IQ here so I don't get the scope of the fail, but please tell me how bad that is!
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:03 AM   #21
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Probably the best compilation vid I've ever seen.

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Old 03-20-2012, 02:03 AM   #22
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Didn't you admit in a Lounge thread that you had an IQ of 90?
I'm just relaying the information you experts tell me.
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:31 AM   #23
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God, ripshitty is a bad poster.
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:45 AM   #24
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God, ripshitty is a bad poster.
Don't get mad at me for repeating what you all tell me.
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Don't get mad at me for repeating what you all tell me.
If I was you i'd be mad at myself for thinking robinson was still prime in 1960
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we don't do IQ here so I don't get the scope of the fail, but please tell me how bad that is!
It certainly explains the simple-minded nature of his posts, I'll say that much. It's not Forrest Gump level or anything, but it's well below average. Scientifically speaking, he's dumb.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:36 AM   #27
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If I was you i'd be mad at myself for thinking robinson was still prime in 1960
I define prime as being at the peak of one's abilities. There is however a period after in which a boxer can still beat everyone in his division after his prime and before his prime.
I never said he was prime as in the peak of his abilities in 1960. I do fell however up to than he was capable of beating the rest of the middleweight field up to than. He certanly wasn't the bum you make him out to be.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:52 AM   #28
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The thing with Robinson is that he was a small middlewight as well...weighed around 154 or so if I recall. Strictly speaking, that's not even a middleweight today.

It boggles the mind what he could have achieved in today's era, with multiple weight classes, multiple belts and PED's. Scary.

A lot of the old-timers, when viewed on film for the first time, are actually a big letdown. However, Robinson is one of those that is actually better than his considerable repuation suggests, and not much footage of him at his absolute peak exists.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:25 AM   #29
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The thing with Robinson is that he was a small middlewight as well...weighed around 154 or so if I recall. Strictly speaking, that's not even a middleweight today.

It boggles the mind what he could have achieved in today's era, with multiple weight classes, multiple belts and PED's. Scary.

A lot of the old-timers, when viewed on film for the first time, are actually a big letdown. However, Robinson is one of those that is actually better than his considerable repuation suggests, and not much footage of him at his absolute peak exists.
He's one of the few who could be transplanted into any era and be exceptional, also one of the few I wouldn't favour anybody to beat at his peak. The fact that a man who started boxing at Feather can be so great at so many different weight classes in a very deep, talented era and still beating world class fighters close to and in his 40's is amazing.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:02 AM   #30
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I define prime as being at the peak of one's abilities. There is however a period after in which a boxer can still beat everyone in his division after his prime and before his prime.
I never said he was prime as in the peak of his abilities in 1960. I do fell however up to than he was capable of beating the rest of the middleweight field up to than. He certanly wasn't the bum you make him out to be.
Show me one quote when I said he was a bum.
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