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Old 03-19-2012, 04:09 PM   #16
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Default Re: Who was the #1 contender when Rocky Marciano fought Ezzard Charles?

I'm eagerly awaiting the outcome of this investigation so I know whether to increase my rating of rocky or not!

The guy's legacy is relying on this!
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:59 PM   #17
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Default Re: Who was the #1 contender when Rocky Marciano fought Ezzard Charles?

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"The IBC was hoping that Ezzard Charles would get picked off."

What is the proof of this? If this is true, why did they match Charles with Marciano?

It seems to me that Charles was much easier to sell at the box office than Valdes, which would matter to a promotion group.
Ezzard was a much bigger name, but he was also viewed as being dull to watch, so it evens out a bit.

Luckily, "dull" was one thing neither man was in the Marciano/Charles fights, IMO.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:45 PM   #18
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Ezzard was a much bigger name, but he was also viewed as being dull to watch, so it evens out a bit.

Luckily, "dull" was one thing neither man was in the Marciano/Charles fights, IMO.
"viewed as being dull to watch"

How many of Valdes' filmed fights have you viewed? The Baker-Valdes fight in 1955 was considered a very dull fight.

On the original question, over at Boxrec they have an article from the Milwaukee Sentinal on October 7, 1954, that the NBA had named Valdes as the logical contender for Marciano's title. Apparently the NBA named a "logical" contender as well as outstanding fighters. Valdes was named the logical contender in October, 1954, with Charles, ****ell, and Slade named as outstanding boxers.

This article also contained this line

"Former Champion Ezzard Charles, now named at the top of the outstanding heavyweights, was designated the only contender before his first bout with Marciano last June."

**My take is Valdes should have gotten the May, 1955 shot over ****ell, but Charles and Moore were better contenders--Moore obviously so.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:30 PM   #19
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Some felt Charles beat Johnson and Valdes. Anyway, Nino wouldn't have had a chance vs. Marciano.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:36 PM   #20
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"viewed as being dull to watch"

How many of Valdes' filmed fights have you viewed? The Baker-Valdes fight in 1955 was considered a very dull fight.

On the original question, over at Boxrec they have an article from the Milwaukee Sentinal on October 7, 1954, that the NBA had named Valdes as the logical contender for Marciano's title. Apparently the NBA named a "logical" contender as well as outstanding fighters. Valdes was named the logical contender in October, 1954, with Charles, ****ell, and Slade named as outstanding boxers.

This article also contained this line

"Former Champion Ezzard Charles, now named at the top of the outstanding heavyweights, was designated the only contender before his first bout with Marciano last June."

**My take is Valdes should have gotten the May, 1955 shot over ****ell, but Charles and Moore were better contenders--Moore obviously so.
Maybe Valdes should have gotting the shot over ****ell.
But after back to back wins over Walcott, a return with number 1 contender LaStarza, and than back to back battles with Ezzard Charles, you think the guy earn the right of a easy defense??

No one gets onto Ali or Louis for there Paychecks or Wepner type of defenses??
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:46 PM   #21
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I'm eagerly awaiting the outcome of this investigation so I know whether to increase my rating of rocky or not!

The guy's legacy is relying on this!
Wrong! His legacy is fine no matter what.

Nino is a bit overrated IMO. Take away the win over Ezzard Charles and take a look at his resume again. He was easily outboxed by Harold Johnson, Archie Moore x2, Bob Satterfield, Bob Baker, he was decisioned by a young Eddie Machen and knocked out by Machen in a rematch, he was outboxed by Zora Folley, and others. So, when was he ducked exactly? Even if he was, so what? He had no chance vs. Marciano.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:00 PM   #22
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Nino Valdes had two things,,,,,,,, a powerful left hook,,,,and a vulnerable jaw.

And his manager Bobby Gleason was excellent in promoting the Cuban Heavyweight.

Quick-hitting fighters gave him the most trouble, not big but slow plodders.

His victory over Ezzard Charles in 1953 saved his career, and Bobby Gleason
milked it as long as he could.

Though he didn't get a chance at Rocky Marciano's title, he was considered a
possible challenger for Floyd Patterson's title.
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