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Old 03-20-2012, 02:54 PM   #61
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I think looking back that Jones would have been a class above most heavy's of that time.

Tyson, Holyfield were shot to shit. Rahman, Vitali were slow as shit.

Aside from Byrd and Lewis I'm not sure shoe beats Jones at hw from then.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:55 PM   #62
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Jones-Lewis probably would have been horrifying, but who would have missed it? And if Jones somehow pulled it off, he'd be in the p4p ATG top 10.
This is a fight I wouldn't pick Roy in, just too much reach, strength and power. But Lewis would be 38 and have a big speed deficit. Even if he outboxes Lewis, Lennox would look to drown him by walking him down

I reckon he beats Holyfield at this stage, which adds to his legacy. He was talking about that in 1999 and if Holyfield ducked Lewis that would be interesting. Tyson I think wins with his speed/power but you never know if Tyson can't get him out in.

Still it shows he wasn't as reluctant as many pretend, boxers really didn't want to fight him


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Liles would have been good also, good call.
Liles also turned down a 1million payday to re-sign with DKP
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:57 PM   #63
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This is a fight I wouldn't pick Roy in, just too much reach, strength and power. But Lewis would be 38 and have a big speed deficit. Even if he outboxes Lewis, Lennox would look to drown him by walking him down

I reckon he beats Holyfield at this stage, which adds to his legacy. He was talking about that in 1999 and if Holyfield ducked Lewis that would be interesting. Tyson I think wins with his speed/power but you never know if Tyson can't get him out in.

Still it shows he wasn't as reluctant as many pretend, boxers really didn't want to fight him
Definitely, Lewis probably can't hit Jones with a jab and he might look really stupid early doors, but once he starts cutting the ring off and clinching and uppercutting, Jones won't last.

Holy and Tyson then didn't have the stamina, Jones could play it safe early doors and finish really strong. Chances are he stops both in my honest opinion.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:58 PM   #64
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This is a fight I wouldn't pick Roy in
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:59 PM   #65
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As I said, I'm not saying Jones ducked anyone. I'm saying if I could make 4 feasible fights from that era, itd be jackson, mcclelland, benn and dm. I'm not wholly sure how much of an improvement it would be, but the fact of unifying 3 divisions would be an added synergy bonus. Plus it'd be a wider variety of styles he was proven against.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:06 PM   #66
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I bet has all these Jones posts all in some word files just waiting to copy&paste them.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:29 PM   #67
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As I said, I'm not saying Jones ducked anyone. I'm saying if I could make 4 feasible fights from that era, itd be jackson, mcclelland, benn and dm. I'm not wholly sure how much of an improvement it would be, but the fact of unifying 3 divisions would be an added synergy bonus. Plus it'd be a wider variety of styles he was proven against.
I think it would have been far more scandalous had he not fought Toney, Hopkins and Hill than Jackson, Benn or DM.

McClellan would have been nice to see.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:53 PM   #68
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Boxing evolved a whole lot between Fitzsimmons time and Jones'. Look at the picture of him vs Corbett I can't imagine a modern heavyweight doing something that amateurish... Unless we're taking about Hasim Rahman.
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I'm shocked Sugar didn't go for the old timer. But then again anyone picking someone with this stance over the fastest P4P hands in history is mentally retarded or in denial

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And can someone tell me what's going on here?

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the stance is the stance of the old masters, some one who is familiar with todays fighters wouldnt be able to grasp the use of the old masters stance. though you can try it out, simply turn your back foot out so your front foot points forward ad your back foot points to the side. now transfer about 80% of your weight to your back foot. this is the basic stance of the old masters.

now as you lean back with your body bend at the knee of your back foot and youll find that even though your almost bent over backwards your still balanced. of course though as you dont use this kind of stance, you'll also find tht your back leg isnt strong enough to handel this stance.


in the second pic bob had just deflected the jab upwards while throwing a jab of his own that was blocked.

the modern day equivilent would be 2 boxers jabbing while both boxers block each others jab, course now adays barely any one knows how to do anything other then block whil back in the day they had parrys, deflets, and blocks.....and apparently they also rocked MMA style trunks....
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the stance is the stance of the old masters, some one who is familiar with todays fighters wouldnt be able to grasp the use of the old masters stance. though you can try it out, simply turn your back foot out so your front foot points forward ad your back foot points to the side. now transfer about 80% of your weight to your back foot. this is the basic stance of the old masters.

now as you lean back with your body bend at the knee of your back foot and youll find that even though your almost bent over backwards your still balanced. of course though as you dont use this kind of stance, you'll also find tht your back leg isnt strong enough to handel this stance.


in the second pic bob had just deflected the jab upwards while throwing a jab of his own that was blocked.

the modern day equivilent would be 2 boxers jabbing while both boxers block each others jab, course now adays barely any one knows how to do anything other then block whil back in the day they had parrys, deflets, and blocks.....and apparently they also rocked MMA style trunks....
Why is everyone so afraid to state what is patently obvious?

The guys were horrible. There are better fighters in every bar on every corner of my village.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:47 AM   #71
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A rematch with Toney.

It was planned to be staged after Toney defeats Griffin. Toney lost to Montell.

Toney wins several bouts and has a rematch with Griffin. Jones is very interested in meeting Toney again. So much that he participates in live commentary of that bout, from his house in Florida, including pre- and post-fight interviews. But Toney loses again.

Not until his win over Jirov was there any interest in seeing Jones and Toney in the ring again. And Toney was demanding to get more money than Roy for a rematch. In mid-2003, when Jones is P4P #1 and the WBA heavyweight champion, who should be getting a bigger purse, him or Toney?
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:47 AM   #72
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Why is everyone so afraid to state what is patently obvious?

The guys were horrible. There are better fighters in every bar on every corner of my village.
im sorry that you cant grasp the fighting style of the old timers.

it does take alot of reading and thinking to wrap your head around it, but maybe one day...

ohhh wait, i get it, i shot down your entire argument and intelligently explained what was happeneing in each photo.

you just mad bro
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im sorry that you cant grasp the fighting style of the old timers.

it does take alot of reading and thinking to wrap your head around it, but maybe one day...

ohhh wait, i get it, i shot down your entire argument and intelligently explained what was happeneing in each photo.

you just mad bro
Please go back to trolling/making an ass of yourself in the training forum.
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Please go back to trolling/making an ass of yourself in the training forum.
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, ***ually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

reported, you want to be obscene vulgar and hateful do it on your own forum.
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Old 03-21-2012, 03:32 AM   #75
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I think it would have been far more scandalous had he not fought Toney, Hopkins and Hill than Jackson, Benn or DM.

McClellan would have been nice to see.
Ofcourse it would.

I see no reason to label them fights mutually exclusive though.
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