Sugar Ray Leonard vs Floyd and Manny..

[LordJomski]

I have lots of respect with SRL, one of the best in the world.. He defeated Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler but he is so overrated at today's time..

[LordJomski]

Originally Posted by godlikerich

Leonard can do everything that Mayweather can do and more. He is a bigger fighter than Mayweather and he is stronger than him too. Leonard hits harder. He has better punch variety. He is just as adaptable. Watch him start the Tommy Hearns fight by boxing, and then change tack in the middle rounds and start stalking Hearns. Watch him box against Hagler and Duran. Watch him deal with, and eventually break through one of the best defensive fighter ever's guard in Benitez and SHATTER the Mayweather shoulder defence. Mayweather would have his moments and he wouldn't be knocked out, but he would lose by at least 8-4, probably 9-3 or 10-2.

Leonard knocks Pacquiao out with a brutal bodyshot (which he was superb at - Leonard is one of the best bodypunchers ever when he committed to it.) Leonard is bigger, stronger, has a better chin, can box better, can fight better, has better punch variety, is more adaptable, and has more punches in his arsenal he can hit as hard or harder than Pacquiao can, and he has a better defence. Marquez has outboxed Pacquiao THREE times now, and controlled him for long sections of their fights. Leonard does better, controls him, hurts him, and stops him.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are formidable fighters and are surefire HOFers. Leonard is an ATG. His level of competition is quite remarkable and his best performances up their in the pantheon of the greats alongside Ali, Robinson, Armstrong, Benny Leonard, Hearns, Louis, Langford, Hagler, Moore, and Pep. Truly Epic.

With punch variety I'd say Floyd has more effective punches..
Floyd's left counter would be perfect for SRL's full swing right.. Floyds right straight would also be perfect to counter SRL's jab.. Plus SRL is only effective in breaking one's defense if they are just standing in front of him.. Floyd would take a couple of back step while weaving(I know you have seen him doing that)..

SRL will start to land clear shots, if Pac stops to move..

And as far as achievement is concerned, SRL is not on SRR's level..

[PityTheFool]

Get it through your head.We'll never know for sure but the concensus is quite correct in thinking Ray beats both handily.He's been to the well and delivered in ways these two will never dream of because they'll never face the same obstacles.You can kid yourself on but Ray always found a way when it really mattered and these two are supremely talented,but not in the same league although Floyd could probably keep it tight for 8 rounds.

[ripcity]

Yes, I'm convinced they can beat him! They have to team up against him. They should do that thing where one of them starts talking to Leonard and the other one sneeks behind him getting on his hands and knees while the talker pushes Leonard over. I think it's called tabble toping. I'm pretty sure that would work.

Another move they should use is one of them distractts the ref while the other smacks Leonard with a folding chair.

[ripcity]

You never know Leonard is 56 years old and has not fought since 1997. He's going to be a little rusty you know.

[MetalMandible]

Floyd would make for an interesting match-up in which I would still favor SRL by a good margin. Pacquiao would be destroyed because he lacks the fundamental Boxing ability to hang in there with some just as quick or quicker, stronger, and a far better Boxer. Floyd and SRL both destroy Pac.

[PityTheFool]

Originally Posted by ripcity

You never know Leonard is 56 years old and has not fought since 1997. He's going to be a little rusty you know.

Sorry mate but that's a falsehood.
Haven't you heard the revelations about Witness Protection and plastic surgery?

[LordJomski]

Originally Posted by PityTheFool

Get it through your head.We'll never know for sure but the concensus is quite correct in thinking Ray beats both handily.He's been to the well and delivered in ways these two will never dream of because they'll never face the same obstacles.You can kid yourself on but Ray always found a way when it really mattered and these two are supremely talented,but not in the same league although Floyd could probably keep it tight for 8 rounds.

You are saying that SRL would beat Floyd and Manny just like putting a popcorn on a microwave oven and waiting for it pop..

You think Floyd and Manny doesn't have the chance of beating guys like Duran? Hearns? Hagler?
Its like Pac was on lightweight and a lot of people was talking like he won't beat guys like ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley.. Where is Pacquioa now?

Floyd will keep it close for 12 rounds.. And Pacquioa would make it smoking for 12 rounds..

[LordJomski]

Originally Posted by ripcity

Yes, I'm convinced they can beat him! They have to team up against him. They should do that thing where one of them starts talking to Leonard and the other one sneeks behind him getting on his hands and knees while the talker pushes Leonard over. I think it's called tabble toping. I'm pretty sure that would work.

Another move they should use is one of them distractts the ref while the other smacks Leonard with a folding chair.

SRL is stronger and faster but it doesn't mean he'll just walk over Floyd and Manny.. You forgot that boxing also includes creating fight plan..
Both of them have the tools to beat him..

If you keep believing that SRL is way ahead, then Boxing is not going anywhere.. That it stopped its progress on SRL's times..

[Bill Butcher]

Leonard is bigger AND better than both, he`d be too much for either.

fmj might make the distance but he`d lose wide if he did, he`s just as likely to get stopped late on, he has no realistic shot to win IMO.

pac would get brutalized, no ifs, buts or maybe`s.

[LordJomski]

Originally Posted by ripcity

You never know Leonard is 56 years old and has not fought since 1997. He's going to be a little rusty you know.

Then what, gets knocked out again just like what Camacho did?

[Bonavena25]

Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Leonard is bigger AND better than both, he`d be too much for either.

fmj might make the distance but he`d lose wide if he did, he`s just as likely to get stopped late on, he has no realistic shot to win IMO.

pac would get brutalized, no ifs, buts or maybe`s.

He said on British radio recently that he was only around 5"8, 5"9 at most.

Surprised at that.

[PityTheFool]

Originally Posted by LordJomski

You are saying that SRL would beat Floyd and Manny just like putting a popcorn on a microwave oven and waiting for it pop..

You think Floyd and Manny doesn't have the chance of beating guys like Duran? Hearns? Hagler?
Its like Pac was on lightweight and a lot of people was talking like he won't beat guys like ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley.. Where is Pacquioa now?

Floyd will keep it close for 12 rounds.. And Pacquioa would make it smoking for 12 rounds..

Never saw popcorn going 8 rounds but hey. Floyd would last the distance but Ray would pull away around 8th or 9th.
Manny would have a chance v Duran.That's it.

I can see the real Hitman giving that fool Hearns a real tanking.

Cotto destroys Hagler inside a round.
I admit Ray might be a bit slow for Margarito but he might last a few rounds.
Ray would fuck Manny up real bad.

[PityTheFool]

Originally Posted by LordJomski

Then what, gets knocked out again just like what Camacho did?

If anyone had any doubt (unlikely,I know) about your grasp on boxing knowledge,then this post knocks it out the ballpark.

I'll bet you thought Khan did a real job on prime Barrera too.

[LordJomski]

Originally Posted by MetalMandible

Floyd would make for an interesting match-up in which I would still favor SRL by a good margin. Pacquiao would be destroyed because he lacks the fundamental Boxing ability to hang in there with some just as quick or quicker, stronger, and a far better Boxer. Floyd and SRL both destroy Pac.

The opponents he defeated doesn't have the fundamentals to hang in there with SRL, not Pac.. You think SRL will go there and makes Pacquioa like he's moving in slow motion..

Watch SRL's fight again and see for yourself, that his best knock outs was like hitting a tree with an axe.. They are not moving!