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Old 04-01-2012, 12:24 PM   #1
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There are many champion lists, but I have never seen a list of the hardest punchers in the world through history.

Criteria--Must be active at the time and fighting top men. This is in an absolute sense--not p4p

John L Sullivan--in the 1880's (185-195 lbs)

Bob Fitzsimmons--with ko's of Corbett, Sharkey, Ruhlin, Maher--and off boxrec, Choynski and O'Brien, I think he holds the title from the early '90's into the early 1900's (170 lbs)

No clear outstanding puncher for five years or so until

Sam Langford--from about 1910 for 8 or so years (170-190 lbs)

Jack Dempsey--takes the baton from Langford about 1917 and holds it until his retirement in 1927 (190 lbs)

George Godfrey--from late twenties into early thirties (230-250 lbs)

Max Baer--from early thirties when Godfrey is getting old and fat to the rise of Joe Louis (210 lbs)

Joe Louis--from the mid-thirties to the late forties (195-210 lbs)

Rocky Marciano--from the very late forties to his retirement (185 lbs)

Another unclear gap, but

Ingemar Johansson-in the mid to late fifties-Liston is in prison- (195 lbs)

Sonny Liston-takes over in late fifties or 1960 or so until the late sixties (215 lbs)

George Foreman--from around 1970 to his first retirement (220 lbs)

Earnie Shavers--from Foreman's retirement to early '80's (210 lbs)

A gap from Shavers to Tyson, but to choose

Gerry Cooney-by default in the early 1980's (225 lbs)

Mike Tyson-from mid-1980's until late 90's (215-220 lbs)

Lennox Lewis-late 90's to early 2000's (240 lbs)

Wladimir Klitschko-from Lewis' retirement to today (240 lbs)

*Ok fellows, where did I go wrong?

Disagreements? Any comments?

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Old 04-01-2012, 12:48 PM   #2
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There are many champion lists, but I have never seen a list of the hardest punchers in the world through history.

Criteria--Must be active at the time and fighting top men. This is in an absolute sense--not p4p

John L Sullivan--in the 1880's (185-195 lbs)

Bob Fitzsimmons--with ko's of Corbett, Sharkey, Ruhlin, Maher--and off boxrec, Choynski and O'Brien, I think he holds the title from the early '90's into the early 1900's (170 lbs)

No clear outstanding puncher for five years or so until

Sam Langford--from about 1910 for 8 or so years (170-190 lbs)

Jack Dempsey--takes the baton from Langford about 1917 and holds it until his retirement in 1927 (190 lbs)

George Godfrey--from late twenties into early thirties (230-250 lbs)

Max Baer--from early thirties when Godfrey is getting old and fat to the rise of Joe Louis (210 lbs)

Joe Louis--from the mid-thirties to the late forties (195-210 lbs)

Rocky Marciano--from the very late forties to his retirement (185 lbs)

Another unclear gap, but

Ingemar Johansson-in the mid to late fifties-Liston is in prison- (195 lbs)

Sonny Liston-takes over in late fifties or 1960 or so until the late sixties (215 lbs)

George Foreman--from around 1970 to his first retirement (220 lbs)

A long gap from Foreman to Tyson, but to choose

Gerry Cooney-by default in the early 1980's (225 lbs)

Mike Tyson-from mid-1980's until late 90's (215-220 lbs)

Lennox Lewis-late 90's to early 2000's (240 lbs)

Wladimir Klitschko-from Lewis' retirement to today (240 lbs)

*Ok fellows, where did I go wrong?

Disagreements? Any comments?

Pssst..........there are divisions other than heavyweight, you know.
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:56 PM   #3
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Amongst heavyweights, I might squeeze Shavers in there and David Tua.
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:58 PM   #4
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Pssst..........there are divisions other than heavyweight, you know.
I said I wasn't doing p4p.

That is a legit topic for a thread, though, and I might start one on it some time, after doing a bit of thinking on it.

Or you could do one.

Right now, though, what about the topic of this thread?
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:03 PM   #5
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TKO9 Bruce Seldon
TKO8 Francesco Damiani
TKO2 Lennox Lewis
TKO1 Oleg Maskaev
KO10 Henry Akinwande

Have u heard about that man ?


I even intentionally omitted Yamplier Azcuy Diaz , Darroll Wilson and James Stanton from d list , something Mykey Tyson's worshippers forget 2 do with most of his opponents really , whom got hammered by elbows repeatedly as if it never mattered and like n elbow=legal punch . Tyson actually gets praised as a great technician 4 using his elbows , ignoring d facts that most of his stoppage wins were caused by accumulation of elbows combined with a few legal punches , that he was KOd in his prime and d not so few times that he was stopped in .

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Old 04-01-2012, 01:05 PM   #6
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Shavers and Foreman
but Julian Jackson is the best hitter under the heavyweights
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:24 PM   #7
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KO1 John Ruiz
KO1 Darroll Wilson (undefeated @ d time with a KO over a then undefeated
___________ Shannon Briggs)
TKO12 David Izon
TKO11 Oleg Maskaev
KO2 Nate Tubbs
KO1 Obed Sullivan
KO6 Dannell Nicholson
TKO9 Fres Oquendo

U probably never heard about that man either , did u ? I even intentionally omitted Michael Moorer , Hassim Rahman and Cleveland Woods from his record , something Louis' worshippers forget 2do with Buddy Baer in their 1st fight and Max Schmelling in their 2nd .
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TKO9 Bruce Seldon
TKO8 Francesco Damiani
TKO2 Lennox Lewis
TKO1 Oleg Maskaev
KO10 Henry Akinwande

Have u heard about that man ?
Okay. I am interested in exploring gaps in my list.

You feel McCall should be listed as the biggest puncher over Tyson, or just while Tyson was in jail?

By the way, what about Bowe?

My own take on McCall is that the Lewis ko is certainly top flight. The Akinwanda ko is also most impressive.

Damiani is somewhat of an enigma.

Seldon and Maskaev were "chinny"

Overall, McCall had 37 ko's in 69 fights.

When exactly would you rate him #1--and I want to emphasize I am interested in opinions on this thread, not disputing your views.
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There are many champion lists, but I have never seen a list of the hardest punchers in the world through history.

Criteria--Must be active at the time and fighting top men. This is in an absolute sense--not p4p

John L Sullivan--in the 1880's (185-195 lbs)

Bob Fitzsimmons--with ko's of Corbett, Sharkey, Ruhlin, Maher--and off boxrec, Choynski and O'Brien, I think he holds the title from the early '90's into the early 1900's (170 lbs)

No clear outstanding puncher for five years or so until

Sam Langford--from about 1910 for 8 or so years (170-190 lbs)

Jack Dempsey--takes the baton from Langford about 1917 and holds it until his retirement in 1927 (190 lbs)

George Godfrey--from late twenties into early thirties (230-250 lbs)

Max Baer--from early thirties when Godfrey is getting old and fat to the rise of Joe Louis (210 lbs)

Joe Louis--from the mid-thirties to the late forties (195-210 lbs)

Rocky Marciano--from the very late forties to his retirement (185 lbs)

Another unclear gap, but

Ingemar Johansson-in the mid to late fifties-Liston is in prison- (195 lbs)

Sonny Liston-takes over in late fifties or 1960 or so until the late sixties (215 lbs)

George Foreman--from around 1970 to his first retirement (220 lbs)

A long gap from Foreman to Tyson, but to choose

Gerry Cooney-by default in the early 1980's (225 lbs)

Mike Tyson-from mid-1980's until late 90's (215-220 lbs)

Lennox Lewis-late 90's to early 2000's (240 lbs)

Wladimir Klitschko-from Lewis' retirement to today (240 lbs)

*Ok fellows, where did I go wrong?

Disagreements? Any comments?
I'd switch Foreman with Shavers for the 70s and switch Tyson with Foreman in the late 80s until Foreman's retirement.

Cooney would be the hardest puncher from 83 (when Shavers became inactive) until Cooney became inactive, which is when Tyson became the hardest puncher.

This is simply in an absolute sense, P4P it would be different.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:38 PM   #10
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KO1 John Ruiz
KO1 Darroll Wilson (undefeated @ d time with a KO over a then undefeated
___________ Shannon Briggs)
TKO12 David Izon
TKO11 Oleg Maskaev
KO2 Nate Tubbs
KO1 Obed Sullivan
KO6 Dannell Nicholson
TKO9 Fres Oquendo

U probably never heard about that man either , did u ? I even intentionally omitted Michael Moorer , Hassim Rahman and Cleveland Woods from his record , something Louis' worshippers forget 2do with Buddy Baer in their 1st fight and Max Schmelling in their 2nd .
If you think David Tua should be on this list, just say so. Don't bore me with what you think I know or don't know.

"I even intentionally omitted Michael Moorer, Hasim Rahman and Cleveland Woods from his record, something Louis' worshipper forget 2do with Buddy Baer in their 1st fight and Max Schmeling in their 2nd."

????? -- why should Louis "worshippers" hide the first Buddy Baer fight? Louis destroyed Buddy. The only controversy was his second jumping into the ring.

And what "Louis worshipper" would ever hide the 2nd Schmeling fight?

*For the record, Tua might be a good addition. What years do you think he should be #1?
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If you think David Tua should be on this list, just say so. Don't bore me with what you think I know or don't know.

"I even intentionally omitted Michael Moorer, Hasim Rahman and Cleveland Woods from his record, something Louis' worshipper forget 2do with Buddy Baer in their 1st fight and Max Schmeling in their 2nd."

????? -- why should Louis "worshippers" hide the first Buddy Baer fight? Louis destroyed Buddy. The only controversy was his second jumping into the ring.

And what "Louis worshipper" would ever hid the 2nd Schmeling fight?

*For the record, Tua might be a good addition. What years do you think he should be #1?
I really think Tua should be on there in the late 90s. The McCall pick is just kinda strange.
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Okay. I am interested in exploring gaps in my list.

You feel McCall should be listed as the biggest puncher over Tyson, or just while Tyson was in jail?

By the way, what about Bowe?

My own take on McCall is that the Lewis ko is certainly top flight. The Akinwanda ko is also most impressive.

Damiani is somewhat of an enigma.

Seldon and Maskaev were "chinny"

Overall, McCall had 37 ko's in 69 fights.

When exactly would you rate him #1--and I want to emphasize I am interested in opinions on this thread, not disputing your views.
i think he was a good candidate at least 4d time Iron Elbow served in jail , not 2 mention McCall usually stopped his opponents cleanly when he did so , rather than intentionally missing them with a left hook while landing d left elbow and then immediately clinching and so on and on ..
Maskaev didn't have d best of chins but good enough 2 outlast 1 Hassim Rahman *2 , d 2nd time while way past his (Maskaev's) prime . Maskaev also wasn't stopped by every big man he faced , proved by stopping Derrick Jefferson .
Maskaev simply had a top10 deadliest opposition list ever , but he still managed 2 prevail sometimes .
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If you think David Tua should be on this list, just say so. Don't bore me with what you think I know or don't know.
if he doesn't who does ? of course he should be in it .
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"I even intentionally omitted Michael Moorer, Hasim Rahman and Cleveland Woods from his record, something Louis' worshipper forget 2do with Buddy Baer in their 1st fight and Max Schmeling in their 2nd."

????? -- why should Louis "worshippers" hide the first Buddy Baer fight? Louis destroyed Buddy. The only controversy was his second jumping into the ring.

And what "Louis worshipper" would ever hide the 2nd Schmeling fight?
Louis hit Buddy Baer after d bell .
Schmelling was never d goods , and while past his prime in their 1st fight , it's fair 2 claim that he was shot in their 2nd .

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*For the record, Tua might be a good addition. What years do you think he should be #1?
Late 1990s early 2000s , something like 1996-2002 , give or take 1-2 yrs from each edge .
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Pssst..........there are divisions other than heavyweight, you know.
They tend to produce weaker punchers.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:32 PM   #15
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Good list, although where in tha heck is Shavers??
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