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Old 04-01-2012, 01:53 PM   #1
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Default Did Ali's trash talk backfire against Frazier in fight 1?

Boxing is part psychological, Ali liked to get in fighters heads and break them mentally. With Frazier instead of throwing him out of his game it threw fuel on the fire, maybe upping his performance level

Did ALi's words improve Frazier's performance? Maybe push him beyond? Would a milk mannered Ali have won
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:31 PM   #2
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Boxing is part psychological, Ali liked to get in fighters heads and break them mentally. With Frazier instead of throwing him out of his game it threw fuel on the fire, maybe upping his performance level

Did ALi's words improve Frazier's performance? Maybe push him beyond? Would a milk mannered Ali have won
foreman said in facing ali that he should have been nice, promoted the fight and won a unanimous decision. the frazier that actually fought would have died in the ring. without ali's pre-fight attacks, who knows if that's still the case.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:44 PM   #3
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Yeah it definitely made smoking joe up his game.

He was just the anti-ali in so many ways.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:45 PM   #4
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Did ALi's words improve Frazier's performance?
YEs. Without a doubt to me.....
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:59 PM   #5
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Default Re: Did Ali's trash talk backfire against Frazier in fight 1?

I don't really think so. Joe never really seemed to be a fighter who needed anyone to motivate him in the ring or in training. I think Joe's great conditioning as a reigning champion and the fact that Ali had only had a few fights coming back gave Joe the edge. If Ali's taunting provided any additional motivation, I think its effect would have been minimal.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:05 PM   #6
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No,

Smokin Joe knew he was better than Muhammad Ali at that time.

The 'trash talking' helped motivate Ali if anything.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:22 PM   #7
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I don't think so. Frazier was a fighter at his absolute peak, he had been getting better with every recent fight. He was just an awesome fighter.
Ali was a true and undefeated champion who had not lost his title in the ring, and Frazier knew Ali's existence as a fighter cast a shadow over Frazier's status as champion. He knew how good Ali was.
It really wouldn't have made a difference if Ali had been as nice as pie about the whole thing, Frazier was going to tear into him and prove his point regardless.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:30 PM   #8
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yeah, I'd say it backfired all right..
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:06 PM   #9
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Ali's "shit' worked on Liston...because Liston was at the end of his career.

Prime Frazier would have beaten that version of Ali on that nite no matter what type Ali's pre-fight antics.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:11 PM   #10
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Ali's "shit' worked on Liston...because Liston was at the end of his career.

Prime Frazier would have beaten that version of Ali on that nite no matter what type Ali's pre-fight antics.
This! If Frazier and Ali fight at any stages of their career it's a guaranteed 50/50 war.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:45 PM   #11
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Ali's "shit' worked on Liston...because Liston was at the end of his career.

Prime Frazier would have beaten that version of Ali on that nite no matter what type Ali's pre-fight antics.
Bingo!!
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:55 PM   #12
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Default Re: Did Ali's trash talk backfire against Frazier in fight 1?

To use a more recent example, did Chisora's tactics backfire against Vitally Klitschko?

If Klitschko had an arm injury as he claimed, then it is verry likley that his dislike for Chisora, helped him to tough it out!
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:06 PM   #13
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It hurt Frazier in all of their fights by making him too hungry for hitting the head, but that didn't stop Frazier coming close to beating Ali 2/3 times. Styles make fights; I think that Ali could have been stopped if Frazier wasn't so obsessed with knocking his head off in the FOTC.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:21 PM   #14
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Yeah it definitely made smoking joe up his game.

He was just the anti-ali in so many ways.
Count me with lufcrazy on this.

Frazier never was this sharp in his entire career. He had his best night here against the best fighter he ever faced. It seems obvious that something was different for this fight that would cause a man to train even harder, to take everything a fighter like Ali had, to have such good stamina in round 15 after the beating he was both taking and administering for 14 rounds, etc. That obvious thing was the race-baiting, Uncle-Tom talk that Ali constantly delivered.

The derogative comments about Frazier's ability, I doubt bothered Joe. Just Ali's constant pandering to the "Frazier's an Uncle Tom" crowd, a viewpoint which it seems Ali made up on his own, creating that crowd by himself.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:26 PM   #15
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It hurt Frazier in all of their fights by making him too hungry for hitting the head, but that didn't stop Frazier coming close to beating Ali 2/3 times. Styles make fights; I think that Ali could have been stopped if Frazier wasn't so obsessed with knocking his head off in the FOTC.
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