boxing
Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-02-2012, 02:38 PM   #1
lufcrazy
requiescat in pace
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: England, Up North
Posts: 23,048
vCash: 75
Default H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Not talking about generla greatness or achievements or who has the best resume.

Simply put, who would you pick to beat more guys than any other division by division?

Only include guys with available film otherwise it's hard to be educated about your opinion.

Guys I'm happy with so far

HW: Ali
LHW: Jones
MW: Robinson
WW: Robinson
LW: Whitaker
FW: Armstrong
BW: Canizales/Jofre
FLW: Canto

thoughts?

critiques?

alternatives?

Last edited by lufcrazy; 04-06-2012 at 12:13 PM.
lufcrazy is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 04-02-2012, 02:48 PM   #2
Kalasinn
♧ OG Kally ♤
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: from parts unknown
Posts: 9,177
vCash: 1200
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

HW: Lewis
LHW: Jones
MW: Monzon
WW: Leonard
LW: Duran
FW: Saddler
BW: ??
FLW: ??
Kalasinn is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 02:48 PM   #3
Vano-Irons
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Stalking DFTaylor, letting him know he is wrong!
Posts: 8,790
vCash: 75
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

****, this is hard!

HW - Louis
LHW - Ezzard Charles
MW - Fitzsimmons
WW - Robinson (was slightly tempted to say Tommy Hearns tho)
LW - Duran
FW - Pep
BW - Zarate
Fly - Jimmy Wilde

As you can tell, I have mainly selected guys with freakish power for their weight. Charles I feel could outbox any LHW in history, while Pep would beat most Feathers. Duran, while not a concussive puncher, could bang, and he had great boxing skills to back them up (do any other LWs beat Leonard?)

Of course I'm taking a chance with Middleweight here (was going to say Hagler), but how many other MWs in history could cleanly KO THE Heavyweight champion? Same with Wilde (lack of footage, not a great list of opposition etc), but he has the power to level most in the division.
Vano-Irons is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 02:49 PM   #4
McGrain
Diamond Dog
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 38,061
vCash: 1000
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Ali, Charles, Robinson, Robinson, Duran, Armstrong, Zarate, Wolgast


Thing is though, ruleset is important here. 15 or 12? Will you get away with lacing the eyes?

Also, is this a best-for-best thing? Best performances versus best performances I'm confident Robinson excels at MW, but if you set him an actual schedule from hell he gets spotty.
McGrain is online now  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 02:51 PM   #5
Vic-JofreBRASIL
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,697
vCash: 1166
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Quote:
Originally Posted by lufcrazy View Post
Not talking about generla greatness or achievements or who has the best resume.

Simply put, who would you pick to beat more guys than any other division by division?

Only include guys with available film otherwise it's hard to be educated about your opinion.

Guys I'm happy with so far

HW: Ali
LHW: Jones
MW:
WW: Robinson
LW: Whitaker
FW: Pep
BW:
FLW:

thoughts?

critiques?

alternatives?
At BW you can choose between Jofre and Al Brown IMHO......Jofre had the overall package, power, defense, great offensive skills, very versatile.....Al Brown had the size combined with the jab, power, counter-punching skills and was very good defensively....was kind of a BW Thomas Hearns as someone else said here in Classic before.....

FLW is really hard, I made a topic recently, and people canīt pick one with confidence apparently......

MW I would pick Monzon...but a case can be made for Hagler I think.....
Vic-JofreBRASIL is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 03:07 PM   #6
PhillyPhan69
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Salisbury, MD
Posts: 3,881
vCash: 1000
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

HW Joe Frazier (I feel comfortable against everyone outside of Foreman/Liston)
LHW- Gene Tunney
MW Charley Burley
WW SRR
LW Armstrong (Dark horse Bob Montgomery)
FW Saddler
BW Joltin' Jeff Chandler
Fly Midget Wolgast
PhillyPhan69 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 03:10 PM   #7
frankenfrank
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 6,732
vCash: 3500
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

HW : basically but if forced 2 pick 1 it's SNV
CW : D Real Deal , possibly .
LHW : but in more detail : Spinks , Moorer , Doug Jones , Langford , Charles and more may have a claim 2 it .
SMW : Langford , Charles and more
MW : Langford , Hagler , Monzon , Charles and more
LMW : McCallum (despite i'd slightly favor Hearns 2 decision him) , WSJ , Burley and others , probably Langford again as 1 of d others
WW : WSJ probably , possibly Burley or some1 else
LWW : Angott , Ross or some1 else
LW : Armstrong , Joyce , Angott , Chavez , Ramirez , Canzoneri , McLarnin , Ross
___________ or possibly even some1 else
SFW : Pacquiao / Armstrong but maybe some1 else ? Brian Mitchell maybe ?
FW : Sanchez
SBW : Gomez ?
BW : Jofre ?
superfly :
fly :
lightfly :
minimum : Lopez ????

overall , this is y h2h lists r 4 , it's better than just picking a random #1 outof d A .
frankenfrank is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 03:44 PM   #8
DonBoxer
The Lion!
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: In Vitalis cut.
Posts: 4,033
vCash: 75
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

HW: Lewis
LHW: Jones
MW: Monzon
WW: Robinson (Would honestly pick Hearns if its over 12 rounds)
LW: Leonard
FW: Pep
BW: Jofre
FLW: Wilde
DonBoxer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 03:51 PM   #9
Vano-Irons
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Stalking DFTaylor, letting him know he is wrong!
Posts: 8,790
vCash: 75
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonBoxer View Post
HW: Lewis
LHW: Jones
MW: Monzon
WW: Robinson (Would honestly pick Hearns if its over 12 rounds)
LW: Leonard
FW: Pep
BW: Jofre
FLW: Wilde
Vano-Irons is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 04:00 PM   #10
Kalasinn
♧ OG Kally ♤
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: from parts unknown
Posts: 9,177
vCash: 1200
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonBoxer View Post
HW: Lewis
LHW: Jones
MW: Monzon

WW: Robinson (Would honestly pick Hearns if its over 12 rounds)
LW: Leonard
FW: Pep
BW: Jofre
FLW: Wilde
Me too.
Kalasinn is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 04:18 PM   #11
lora
Fighting Zapata
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,658
vCash: 500
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

I've always been a supporter of Roy in general , but i don't think he's the best head-to-head at 175.He didn't hit nearly as hard as he did at middle and there's too many who wouldn't be flustered or totally outclassed by speed and would be the better more domineering physical fighters over 15.especially after a few hard-fought rounds and getting all up in his grill yo.

That's not Jones thing.As a smaller built power puncher who fought like a pure boxer and takes as little risks as possible with letting his hands go he really needs to be able to thoroughly deter with speed\ power.I don't see that as possible against some of the 175 beasts, hell he couldn't even discourage Mike McCallum and had to really open up on overmatched triers like Clinton Woods. hall and Griffin at this weight.

He's still very formidable, but too cautious and safety-first to outwork the likes of Spinks, Moore, Charles etc and he would need to if he can't get their respect.lets not kid ourselves he has anything other than a slim outside bet of knocking any of these guys out.I think he's more a fighter who could steal wins over anyone at the weight over 10 rounds, even against the very highest rated.Especially if they come in during a tough schedule and not at 100%.Peak vs Peak over 15...not so much.
lora is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 04:21 PM   #12
Flea Man
มวยสากล
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: @ferociousflea
Posts: 40,451
vCash: 75
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Bantam: Jofre
Fly: Perez
Flea Man is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 04:22 PM   #13
Flea Man
มวยสากล
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: @ferociousflea
Posts: 40,451
vCash: 75
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Fly is hard between Perez, Lynch and Canto IMO.
Flea Man is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 04:23 PM   #14
Vano-Irons
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Stalking DFTaylor, letting him know he is wrong!
Posts: 8,790
vCash: 75
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flea Man View Post
Fly: Perez
Canto has just cried a little inside
Vano-Irons is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 04:45 PM   #15
Lester1583
Can you hear this?
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,213
vCash: 1000
Default Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flea Man View Post
Fly is hard between Perez, Lynch and Canto IMO.
Harada?
Lester1583 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump






All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2015