H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions? - Page 3

lufcrazy · 04-02-2012, 05:56 PM

I'm totally confident with my pick of jones at lhw. He can be beaten but there's noone i'd pick to beat him.

McGrain · 04-02-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I'm totally confident with my pick of jones at lhw. He can be beaten but there's noone i'd pick to beat him.

That's an astonishing statement. 120 years of great fighters and you're "totally confident"? Man, I wasn't even totally confident about picking a winner in the super-6 (and I got it wrong) never mind a super 16 between the greatest fighters in the history of a division...

Sounds rash.

I'm most confident concerning Ali, but he has a granite jaw.

Nightcrawler · 04-02-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I'm totally confident with my pick of jones at lhw. He can be beaten but there's noone i'd pick to beat him.

im fine with him, spinks or charles. a tournament between them would feature a loss for each fighter at some point

McGrain · 04-02-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

im fine with him, spinks or charles. a tournament between them would feature a loss for each fighter at some point

Probably what would happen in a round robin is about 3 guys would lose about 2 fights.

Some box off that.

"And for a spot in the final, we have, on tonigh's bill, Ezzard Charles squaring off with Sam Langford and Bob Foster on his way to the ring where he's being awaited by Harry Greb."

****.

Nightcrawler · 04-02-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Probably what would happen in a round robin is about 3 guys would lose about 2 fights.

Some box off that.

"And for a spot in the final, we have, on tonigh's bill, Ezzard Charles squaring off with Sam Langford and Bob Foster on his way to the ring where he's being awaited by Harry Greb."

****.

a much better tournament that one

Vano-Irons · 04-02-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Probably what would happen in a round robin is about 3 guys would lose about 2 fights.

Some box off that.

"And for a spot in the final, we have, on tonigh's bill, Ezzard Charles squaring off with Sam Langford and Bob Foster on his way to the ring where he's being awaited by Harry Greb."

****.

certainly worth a ticket for that show

I'm surprised I'm the only one to mention Fitz at middle. Hagler and Monzon are the other stand outs that for sure (Robinson blew hot and cold too much IMO, and Ketchel wasn't around long enough). I don't mind the other 2 guys being mentioned, but with Bob's power he could KO many a middleweight

McGrain · 04-02-2012, 06:13 PM

Fitz's power is incredible, but further to our conversation the other day - all of this goes for Fitz but more so. His style, it's unfair to call it "wrong", it was the most perfect solution to competition in the history of the sport, arguably, in tandem with his power, but it aged horribly.

lufcrazy · 04-02-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

That's an astonishing statement. 120 years of great fighters and you're "totally confident"? Man, I wasn't even totally confident about picking a winner in the super-6 (and I got it wrong) never mind a super 16 between the greatest fighters in the history of a division...

Sounds rash.

I'm most confident concerning Ali, but he has a granite jaw.

It astonishes you that I wouldn't pick anyone to beat jones jr?

I can't think of one filmed lhw i'd expect to beat jones.

McGrain · 04-02-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

It astonishes you that I wouldn't pick anyone to beat jones jr?

Very much so, if that's true.

There is no fighter at any weight I couldn't think of someone beating. There is just to much depth in boxing. Nobody is so much better than everyone else in boxing that they won't lose to someone in the huge variety of greats and styles, in my opinion.

Nightcrawler · 04-02-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Very much so, if that's true.

There is no fighter at any weight I couldn't think of someone beating. There is just to much depth in boxing. Nobody is so much better than everyone else in boxing that they won't lose to someone in the huge variety of greats and styles, in my opinion.

true but with these types of lists, it's more would you favour any fighter over the other imo. at heavy, i wouldn't FAVOUR any fighter over 67 ali but if he fought the entire rest of the all time top 10, he may lose to some of them. bottom line though, i wouldn't give a single one of them 50/50 odds against him. based on that, i'm confident in that pick for instance.

McGrain · 04-02-2012, 06:21 PM

I'm pretty confident picking Ali as winner too but i'd worry about the super-heavies and i'd favour prime Frazier over him, and I think Louis is just a slight underdog.

lufcrazy · 04-02-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

true but with these types of lists, it's more would you favour any fighter over the other imo. at heavy, i wouldn't FAVOUR any fighter over 67 ali but if he fought the entire rest of the all time top 10, he may lose to some of them. bottom line though, i wouldn't give a single one of them 50/50 odds against him. based on that, i'm confident in that pick for instance.

Exactly this.

Although i'd pick frazier over ali but noone else.

I'm not saying over a schedule jones jr would remain unbeaten. I'm saying in any given fantasy fight at lhw I wouldn't bet against him.

SenorRamirez · 04-02-2012, 07:25 PM

HW: Mike Tyson

lora · 04-02-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Very much so, if that's true.

There is no fighter at any weight I couldn't think of someone beating. There is just to much depth in boxing. Nobody is so much better than everyone else in boxing that they won't lose to someone in the huge variety of greats and styles, in my opinion.

Exactly, which is why i don't have a pick for each weightclass.i prefer to think in tiers.Most divisions have numerous groups of fighters who would all be within a 60\40 shot of beating the others.From the greats to the stronger contenders\titlists and on down.

ripcity · 04-02-2012, 07:38 PM

HW: (Resume) Joe Louis Based on his 26 defenses. (Head to Head.) Ridick Bowe. He has size and is good on the outside and inside. Maybe not as skilled as others and with a short prime, but he's good all around and has a great chn which will make a diffrance against the other giants in the division.
LH: (R) Ezzard Charles. One of the most underrated resumes in the sport. (H2H). Roy Jones Jr. Say what you want about his lack of fundmentales or his chin. At his best he's too fast for anyone.
MW: (R) Carlos Monzon 14 defenses against a very solid list of chlangers. H2H: This is tough. If this is a fanasty fight thread meaning they are at their best and use the best tactics. Ray Robinson is the easy choice. When he fights off the back foot he's pretty close to unbeatable. However he didn't allways do that chosing to fight rather than box. It cost him in real life and I don't se him changing if these were real life match ups. I'm having trubble chosing from the fallowing: Michale Nunn, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr.
WW: (R) Ray Leonard. Wins over Duran (who beat him before) Benitez (more skilled) and Hearns (with his size, power and skills should beat every WW ever). Leonard's resume is quility over quinty. H2H. Ray Leonard. In beating Hearns and Benitez he's shown he can beat guys who have better skills/ability/talent than himself.
LW: (R). Benny Leonard. A 7 and a half year run as lightweight champion against a very good list of chalangers. (H2H). Benny Leonard. The film of his fight with Tendler shows him able to set up counters. Considering how rare southpaws were back than and that he more convincely beat Tendler in their rematch. Leonard can overcome any diffcuilty any other LL would throw at him.

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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 34,759 vCash: 1000	Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions? I'm pretty confident picking Ali as winner too but i'd worry about the super-heavies and i'd favour prime Frazier over him, and I think Louis is just a slight underdog.
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ripcity Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: "Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it." Posts: 9,989 vCash: 845	Re: H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions? HW: (Resume) Joe Louis Based on his 26 defenses. (Head to Head.) Ridick Bowe. He has size and is good on the outside and inside. Maybe not as skilled as others and with a short prime, but he's good all around and has a great chn which will make a diffrance against the other giants in the division. LH: (R) Ezzard Charles. One of the most underrated resumes in the sport. (H2H). Roy Jones Jr. Say what you want about his lack of fundmentales or his chin. At his best he's too fast for anyone. MW: (R) Carlos Monzon 14 defenses against a very solid list of chlangers. H2H: This is tough. If this is a fanasty fight thread meaning they are at their best and use the best tactics. Ray Robinson is the easy choice. When he fights off the back foot he's pretty close to unbeatable. However he didn't allways do that chosing to fight rather than box. It cost him in real life and I don't se him changing if these were real life match ups. I'm having trubble chosing from the fallowing: Michale Nunn, James Toney, Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. WW: (R) Ray Leonard. Wins over Duran (who beat him before) Benitez (more skilled) and Hearns (with his size, power and skills should beat every WW ever). Leonard's resume is quility over quinty. H2H. Ray Leonard. In beating Hearns and Benitez he's shown he can beat guys who have better skills/ability/talent than himself. LW: (R). Benny Leonard. A 7 and a half year run as lightweight champion against a very good list of chalangers. (H2H). Benny Leonard. The film of his fight with Tendler shows him able to set up counters. Considering how rare southpaws were back than and that he more convincely beat Tendler in their rematch. Leonard can overcome any diffcuilty any other LL would throw at him.
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