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Old 04-03-2012, 06:10 AM   #61
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here's an alternative list, of greats who could beat any other at the weight

Jersey Joe Walcott
Lloyd Marshall
Jock McAvoy
Zivic
Ike
FW ?
BW ?
Lynch


don't know enough about the smaller guys, but ALL of these fighters could beat anyone in history at their weight(top Giants exclude), and are just as great as any, though in some instances not number 1 persay.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:24 AM   #62
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here's an alternative list, of greats who could beat any other at the weight

Jersey Joe Walcott
Lloyd Marshall
Jock McAvoy
Zivic
Ike
FW ?
BW ?
Lynch


don't know enough about the smaller guys, but ALL of these fighters could beat anyone in history at their weight(top Giants exclude), and are just as great as any, though in some instances not number 1 persay.
Good list.

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Old 04-03-2012, 06:34 AM   #63
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I honestly see no way in which jersey beats wlad.
I honestly see no way you read his post thoroughly.

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(top Giants exclude
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:36 AM   #64
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Jones at mw is a big leap of faith imo.

You not considering armstrong at fw?

What do you mean by pep being too weak?
Jones at 160 is a far more reasonable pick than him at 175 IMO.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:39 AM   #65
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Jones at 160 is a far more reasonable pick than him at 175 IMO.
I didn't say it wasn't reasonable. I said it was a leap of faith.

How many meaningful victories did he have at mw?

For me it comes to assuming he'd be just as good as he was at smw/lhw. That's where the faith goes in.

I'm tempted to put him in as my guy at mw (still vacant at present)
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:41 AM   #66
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here's an alternative list, of greats who could beat any other at the weight

Jersey Joe Walcott
Lloyd Marshall
Jock McAvoy
Zivic
Ike
FW ?
BW ?
Lynch


don't know enough about the smaller guys, but ALL of these fighters could beat anyone in history at their weight(top Giants exclude), and are just as great as any, though in some instances not number 1 persay.
your 1st bad post in at least a long while .
U think Arnold Cream could ever beat George Foreman ? or David Tua ? or Jameel McCline "even" ? Cream might have lasted d 12 rds distance with Tua something like 1 time out of 5 , being generous 2 Cream of course .
If u picked Lloyd Marshall @ LHW , remember he was a MW at most .
do u c him ever beating Michael Moorer @ 175 ? Muhammad Qawi ?
@ 168 , do u really think he could have beaten Gerald McClellan ? or r u 1 of those who think that Benn "actually beat" McClellan ?
@ 160 i m also having trouble imagining him beating McClellan .
McClellan was bigger , more durable and about as hard punching .
could Fritzie Zivic ever beat WSJ ?
could Ike Williams ever beat Armstrong ?
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:43 AM   #67
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I didn't say it wasn't reasonable. I said it was a leap of faith.

How many meaningful victories did he have at mw?

For me it comes to assuming he'd be just as good as he was at smw/lhw. That's where the faith goes in.

I'm tempted to put him in as my guy at mw (still vacant at present)
Hopkins? And considering my four picks for MW would probably be B-Hop Jones Jr Monzon and Hagler I'd say it's a pretty reasonable choice
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:44 AM   #68
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Heavy: Ali (Predictable I know)
Lightheavy: Michael Spinks
Middle: Carlos Monzon
Welter: Sugar Ray Robinson (Another predictable choice, sorry)
Light: Pernell Whitaker (Duran is just as acceptable, but I like the less popular choice)
Feather: Sal Sanchez
Bantam: Maybe Carlos Zarate, not too sure
Fly: No idea.
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:46 AM   #69
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I honestly see no way you read his post thoroughly.
I honestly see no way your quote was an accurate representation of what I actually said
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:48 AM   #70
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I honestly see no way your quote was an accurate representation of what I actually said
Well, your point was 'how would he beat Wlad?'

His point was 'excluding the big oafs like Wlad'
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I didn't say it wasn't reasonable. I said it was a leap of faith.

He looks the same IMO. Didn't look like the smaller guys could deal with his speed any easier.

How many meaningful victories did he have at mw?

How many meaningful fights did he take at 175?

For me it comes to assuming he'd be just as good as he was at smw/lhw. That's where the faith goes in.

Again, looked equally minblowing IMO. Has a win over a consensus top 10 at the weight. Not that big a leap of faith at all IMO.

I'm tempted to put him in as my guy at mw (still vacant at present)
Do, he has the perfect style to beat Monzon IMO
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Old 04-03-2012, 06:53 AM   #72
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Hold on, you've edited???!!?
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Well, your point was 'how would he beat Wlad?'

His point was 'excluding the big oafs like Wlad'
I actually credited him with a good alternate list.
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Hopkins? And considering my four picks for MW would probably be B-Hop Jones Jr Monzon and Hagler I'd say it's a pretty reasonable choice
I probably agree.

I still think it's a leap of faith.
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I wonder how many attempts Walcott would need to beat prime Louis or Marciano?
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