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Old 04-02-2012, 09:23 PM   #1
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Although Tyson wasn't the machine he once was, I was very impressed with his performances against Razor Ruddock. Those were wars...Tyson ate about 50 smashes while still coming forward. Ruddock in the second fight got his jaw broken as early as the fourth round. Neither fighter was the same after these wars, they taxed both men but more so Razor. Razor Ruddock in years to come was KO'D by Lewis and Morrison but i dont believe that was the same fighter that fought in the Tyson fights. the razor ruddock that nearly killed michael dokes is who tyson fought. How much credit do you give tyson/ruddock for these fights? At the time Ruddock was ducked by holyfield and bowe so tyson stepped up. comments opinions?
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Tyson looked OUTSTANDING in the 1st fight.

2nd fight, not so much. He looked undertrained and sluggish, very similar to how he looked against Douglas. Luckily, he was in with an opponent that didn't possess the skillset of Douglas or he would've been up shits creek.
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Old 04-02-2012, 09:47 PM   #3
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I've never bought into this myth that "Ruddock was never the same", they were hard tough fights but not the kind of damaging fights they are mad eout to be.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:16 PM   #4
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Tyson looked OUTSTANDING in the 1st fight.

2nd fight, not so much. He looked undertrained and sluggish, very similar to how he looked against Douglas. Luckily, he was in with an opponent that didn't possess the skillset of Douglas or he would've been up shits creek.
He did look pretty sluggish I'll admit but way better than tokyo tyson
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Although Tyson wasn't the machine he once was, I was very impressed with his performances against Razor Ruddock. Those were wars...Tyson ate about 50 smashes while still coming forward. Ruddock in the second fight got his jaw broken as early as the fourth round. Neither fighter was the same after these wars, they taxed both men but more so Razor. Razor Ruddock in years to come was KO'D by Lewis and Morrison but i dont believe that was the same fighter that fought in the Tyson fights. the razor ruddock that nearly killed michael dokes is who tyson fought. How much credit do you give tyson/ruddock for these fights? At the time Ruddock was ducked by holyfield and bowe so tyson stepped up. comments opinions?

everything u said was right down to a teeeee
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:31 PM   #6
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I've never bought into this myth that "Ruddock was never the same", they were hard tough fights but not the kind of damaging fights they are mad eout to be.
broken jaw........broken rib.........sent to the hospital after the fight????? he was never the same bro
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I've never bought into this myth that "Ruddock was never the same", they were hard tough fights but not the kind of damaging fights they are mad eout to be.

Ruddock himself said in an interview he was never the same. And he thought he did the same to Tyson...which Tyson later admitted on "Center-Stage" {show} that he was burnt out after the second fight...maybe even the first.

They were damaging fights. We are talking about one man that weighs 215+ solid muscle who is known for his power and attack...and another weighing 227-238 who is a big strong MFer who can also punch extremely hard going at it for two fights with not much defense. Just trading off power shots. When you can hear how loud the shots are just watching it from video/TV, that's impressive.

And looking how they both looked at the end of the second fight... they looked like they made it through hell and showed respect for each other.
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Tyson looked OUTSTANDING in the 1st fight.

2nd fight, not so much. He looked undertrained and sluggish, very similar to how he looked against Douglas. Luckily, he was in with an opponent that didn't possess the skillset of Douglas or he would've been up shits creek.

On Friday night, Foreman paid $34.95 to watch the Tyson-Ruddock fight on pay-per-view television. "After the seventh round it looked like a lot of holding to me," said Foreman. "One guy would hit the other, and then he'd hope the other guy wouldn't hit him back. I think [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] is gone. It's like [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and some of those other runners: One year they are beating everybody, and the next year you never hear their names. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] has become average. And an average fighter can be beaten by anybody on a given night."

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Ruddock himself said in an interview he was never the same. And he thought he did the same to Tyson...which Tyson later admitted on "Center-Stage" {show} that he was burnt out after the second fight...maybe even the first.

They were damaging fights. We are talking about one man that weighs 215+ solid muscle who is known for his power and attack...and another weighing 227-238 who is a big strong MFer who can also punch extremely hard going at it for two fights with not much defense. Just trading off power shots. When you can hear how loud the shots are just watching it from video/TV, that's impressive.

And looking how they both looked at the end of the second fight... they looked like they made it through hell and showed respect for each other.
Please link interview. When people say Ruddock was "never the same" its usually a reasoning for why Lewis KO'd him in 2. I judge on performance regardless, I thought he looked good vs Jackson and Page, certainly not faded in any way.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:55 PM   #10
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btw Richard steele's stoppage in the first fight was b.s. Tyson definitley would of finished ruddock off but we didnt get to see it :(
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:28 AM   #11
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In those fights, I will say this: Tyson showed toughness and heart. His skill-set was declined and he was more brawler than "boxer." He lacked the fluidity he once had. And his game-plan wasn't anything brilliant. And he was willing to trade with a bigger stronger guy who could punch very hard who had no fear of him and understood going into the fight that Tyson could be hurt and KO'd...because he had been before.

But where is the credit?

Tyson, like any "Bully," would fold when you don't fear him, stand up to him, and punch him back?
Bullshit.

Tyson had no heart?
He was stunned/shook in the first fight and his instincts were to fight back. And he fought back and went on to win by KO.

And, he fought Ruddock again in his very next fight.
And that was a tough fight.
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Please link interview. When people say Ruddock was "never the same" its usually a reasoning for why Lewis KO'd him in 2. I judge on performance regardless, I thought he looked good vs Jackson and Page, certainly not faded in any way.
Ok. See if I can track it down. Only thing I can do is Google Search interview because I don't remember which site it was on (although it could have been linked on this site/front page). Written interview; not video.

It's somewhere.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:18 AM   #13
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Please link interview. When people say Ruddock was "never the same" its usually a reasoning for why Lewis KO'd him in 2. I judge on performance regardless, I thought he looked good vs Jackson and Page, certainly not faded in any way.
ruddock struggled with page....throwing bombs....no technique...i have the fight on vhs...bert cooper fuked up cecill cofees nose on the undercard............i luved razor but he really did struggle with page until he lowered the boom at the tale end of the 8th rd.......page never went down/ but fight was smartley stopped he was fuked up on his feet.....as for phil jackson god he got knocked out by jeremy williams jab....
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:27 AM   #14
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Please link interview. When people say Ruddock was "never the same" its usually a reasoning for why Lewis KO'd him in 2. I judge on performance regardless, I thought he looked good vs Jackson and Page, certainly not faded in any way.

Eh. Tried doing a quick google search. Hard to find. not much there. Maybe get some help searching for his interviews because someone may remember the interview.

The key was Ruddock basically saying that he felt the fights between him and Tyson took something out of them both. Took their primes away.


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Still can't find the article/interview.

But so far, found this...

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Ruddock became a top contender in 1990 after his vicious KO of Michael Dokes. He had no fear of Tyson; Ruddock came into both their fights determined to score a KO. The problem for Ruddock is that Tyson brought that same mentality. Tyson walked through numerous Ruddock bombs and dispelled the later critique that he always wilted under adversity. Ruddock would later state these fights took everything out of him and shortened his career. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tyson said the same.
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so at least someone else is saying it other than me.

Plus, funny Tyson video on that fight from this site

4:00 mark start

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsQm7sHyNd4&t=3m51s[/ame]


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Since he Retired in 2001 when asked about his Boxing career he stated his fights with Tyson took everything out of him and believed they also finished Tyson insisting both he and Tyson were never the same after those fights. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Anyway, see what I can do in the coming days unless someone posts it before me. There is an actual interview with Ruddock and he talks about his career.


As far as Tyson, if you are interested in that too...just watch his interview from "Center-Stage" {show}

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Tyson looked OUTSTANDING in the 1st fight.

2nd fight, not so much. He looked undertrained and sluggish, very similar to how he looked against Douglas. Luckily, he was in with an opponent that didn't possess the skillset of Douglas or he would've been up shits creek.
Don King played mindgames because he did not want a rematch, he thought it would not do much $$$ wise and the fight was on/off several times but eventually Don handed Mike the contract at a strip club with three weeks notice..........no wonder he looked sluggish and he definitely could not pull the trigger like he used to, the Tyson of old would have finished Ruddock off at the very latest after the second knock down.
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