Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-03-2012, 09:01 AM   #1
suriamarsuli
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
vCash: 500
Default Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
What do you think?
suriamarsuli is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 04-03-2012, 10:15 AM   #2
Lord Tywin
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 797
vCash: 500
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

I dont agree with most of what this guy says because he breaks out things like weight, height, and reach, and then wraps them in a convincing argument based on statistics.

The problem is that all of these factors work together, not seperately. Weight isnt interdependant of athleticism, height etc. Size doesnt matter if there is no talent behind it.

Wladimir K may have a great record against opponents who outweigh him but that doesnt change the fact that MANY of todays HWs come into the ring 20+ pounds over weight. If these guys came into the ring in great shape would he still be outweighed? Of the smaller guys like Adameck that the K brothers faced how many have bulked up "unnaturally" i.e. roids? Can we really compare a 216 pound Adameck (who was a natural LHW) to a 214 Ali (who actually trained down to that weight)?

This also doesnt take in to account the fact that in earlier eras there were far more boxers, far more gyms, far more fights, and far more trainers. Meaning that a lot more fighters developed a lot more well rounded fundamental boxing skills. Nowadays most fighters have no plan B. How many times have we seen a fighter who looks great fighting against one style of opponent and then looks horrible against something else. In the old days there were enough fighters, and trainers that guys got to fight or spar against movers, brawlers, bangers, boxers, leftys, rightys, tall guys, short guys, strong guys, quick guys. In short they were well schooled.

Today's fighters are carefully matched to avoid any surprises and when they are surprised it usually means a loss. Nevermind the fact that most fighters have won a championship before theyve ever even had a difficult fight.

I dont have a problem with the K brothers. You cant do more than beat the best of your time and theyve been doing that. But to compare this time to eras past is ridiculous. Its become more and more obvious, and frankly more accepted that while a lot of other sports have progressed in many ways, boxing has actually regressed over the last twenty plus years.
Lord Tywin is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:21 AM   #3
Legend X
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: London
Posts: 2,378
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by suriamarsuli View Post
What do you think?
I think the owner of that blog is more of a nut-job than I am.


For starters.
Legend X is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 10:21 AM   #4
DaveK
Vicious & Malicious
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 1,826
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

"The boxers with the best records of the past were all around 6'2" and/or somewhat chubby (Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson, Evan Fields, Rocky Marciano, Nikolay Valuev, Primo Carnera). Throughout the history of boxing these were the 2 winning factors: Chubbiness and/or 6'2"-ishness.

It's only now (= with the advent of Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos) that for the first time in boxing history tall+athletic boxers rule the division. That's basically a combination never seen before."





'Nuff said.
DaveK is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 11:48 AM   #5
Lord Tywin
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 797
vCash: 500
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK View Post
"The boxers with the best records of the past were all around 6'2" and/or somewhat chubby (Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson, Evan Fields, Rocky Marciano, Nikolay Valuev, Primo Carnera). Throughout the history of boxing these were the 2 winning factors: Chubbiness and/or 6'2"-ishness.

It's only now (= with the advent of Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos) that for the first time in boxing history tall+athletic boxers rule the division. That's basically a combination never seen before."





'Nuff said.

I didnt see that quote. Now thats funny. I wish I were as "chubby" as some of those guys.
Lord Tywin is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 12:01 PM   #6
Guyfawkes
Than who was phone?!
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: where am i??? I dont know
Posts: 723
vCash: 75
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

The guys a ****ing retard, I don't think he's even ever seen an actual round of boxing
Guyfawkes is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 05:57 PM   #7
Maximus
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,435
vCash: 505
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

It's Silencer/Gained's retarded site, and I'd bet the OP is yet another retarded alt plugging said retarded site.

That's a whole lot of retard tbh.
Maximus is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 06:03 PM   #8
Vantage_West
ヒップホッププロデューサー
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 黒人文化の恋人のサンプリ
Posts: 10,027
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

canned precooked meat product
Vantage_West is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 07:22 PM   #9
red cobra
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The Sea of Tranquility
Posts: 13,175
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Tywin View Post
I didnt see that quote. Now thats funny. I wish I were as "chubby" as some of those guys.
He could have said "soft bodied" as opposed to being overly muscled, instead of "chubby"...that dosen't fit at all.
red cobra is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 07:33 PM   #10
exocet76
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Earth
Posts: 340
vCash: 75
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Well put
exocet76 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 07:34 PM   #11
exocet76
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Earth
Posts: 340
vCash: 75
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

double post sorry
exocet76 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 07:36 PM   #12
exocet76
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Earth
Posts: 340
vCash: 75
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Tywin View Post
I dont agree with most of what this guy says because he breaks out things like weight, height, and reach, and then wraps them in a convincing argument based on statistics.

The problem is that all of these factors work together, not seperately. Weight isnt interdependant of athleticism, height etc. Size doesnt matter if there is no talent behind it.

Wladimir K may have a great record against opponents who outweigh him but that doesnt change the fact that MANY of todays HWs come into the ring 20+ pounds over weight. If these guys came into the ring in great shape would he still be outweighed? Of the smaller guys like Adameck that the K brothers faced how many have bulked up "unnaturally" i.e. roids? Can we really compare a 216 pound Adameck (who was a natural LHW) to a 214 Ali (who actually trained down to that weight)?

This also doesnt take in to account the fact that in earlier eras there were far more boxers, far more gyms, far more fights, and far more trainers. Meaning that a lot more fighters developed a lot more well rounded fundamental boxing skills. Nowadays most fighters have no plan B. How many times have we seen a fighter who looks great fighting against one style of opponent and then looks horrible against something else. In the old days there were enough fighters, and trainers that guys got to fight or spar against movers, brawlers, bangers, boxers, leftys, rightys, tall guys, short guys, strong guys, quick guys. In short they were well schooled.

Today's fighters are carefully matched to avoid any surprises and when they are surprised it usually means a loss. Nevermind the fact that most fighters have won a championship before theyve ever even had a difficult fight.

I dont have a problem with the K brothers. You cant do more than beat the best of your time and theyve been doing that. But to compare this time to eras past is ridiculous. Its become more and more obvious, and frankly more accepted that while a lot of other sports have progressed in many ways, boxing has actually regressed over the last twenty plus years.
Well put
exocet76 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 07:58 PM   #13
exocet76
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Earth
Posts: 340
vCash: 75
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by suriamarsuli View Post
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
What do you think?
It may be interesting but it is all bollocks like the BS the Klitlickers on general spout, going on about size and evolution, forgetting simple fundamentals of the sport.

I had an argument in a bar with a Neo Nazi clown a few months ago spouting the exact same arguments, trying to tell me that Vitali would KO Ali in 3, even that David Haye was better than Ali. He qualified this by saying he used to box at which point I told him he must have been a very crap boxer who clearly did not know shit about boxing.

There is no reasoning with people like these because it all boils down to the underlying agenda which is about hate of other races.

So to the op, don't bother with this because it is bollocks and no not the dog's bollocks just bollocks.
exocet76 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 08:51 PM   #14
Seamus
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Lisboa, Portugal
Posts: 12,272
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by exocet76 View Post
There is no reasoning with people like these because it all boils down to the underlying agenda which is about hate of other races.

So to the op, don't bother with this because it is bollocks and no not the dog's bollocks just bollocks.
So, if someone contends Lewis was better than Bob Fitzsimmons, he is on a neo-nazi agenda?
Seamus is online now  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2012, 09:10 PM   #15
exocet76
Gatekeeper
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Earth
Posts: 340
vCash: 75
Default Re: Have anyone view this site? It has some interesting point.....

Do you comprehend my entire post or are you being stupid?
In answer to your question no of course not.
I am merely pointing out the internal logic of certain individuals with an agenda.
If you don't understand I'm sorry I cannot help you. If you are trying to say that the website in question does NOT have an agenda and you do not see similarities with certain posters on the general forum then again I can't join the dots for you.

If you can't see it might help if you take your finger off your forehead as that is clearly blocking your vision.
exocet76 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013