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View Poll Results: Muhammad Ali vs. Wladimir Klitschko, 15 rds, prime vs. prime, who wins?
Ali stops Wladimir 361 47.13%
Ali by decision 183 23.89%
Wladimir stops Ali 118 15.40%
Waldimir by decision 71 9.27%
The fight could go either way 33 4.31%
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:03 PM   #211
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Wlad is a very good fighter but he just isn't in the same league as Ali and would lost a comfortable decision while trying to land the right (a punch Ali good at avoiding) all night
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:43 PM   #212
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For whatever reason maybe Ali not being quite as good as people think. Chuvalo had not just one, but two very close fights that could have gone his way without them being robberies.

I think Wladimir would beat Ali handly and thats the point. Ali was not hard to hit with massive power shots and he ate them on a regular bases. This time he would be going against a fighter that had to much power for him to eat. And he did not have the power to get Wlads respect.
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This post has been done many times and those of you who would pick Ali without a shadow of a doubt are either old, stupid or both. It is like taking a football player of yesteryear and fast forward him through time and playing today. Totally different Vlad is bigger stronger probably just as fast and Ali would have to fight an aggressive fight (out of his comfort zone) The only strength that I see ali having is his ability to take a punch and he would have to. The heavy weight fighters over the past ten years are probably better than the fighters that Ali fought most of them had a more extensive amateur background. Ali got hit way too much especially with the left hand Vlads jab and his ability to hook off of the jab would have messed up Ali's timing etc another thing Ali moved to his left constantly always into the other persons power and he like to throw the backhand jab no power just pesky and then comeback with a sharp right. Wouldn't have worked Sorry people, but you can think what you like.
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Ali had a great chin, but he was not good at not getting hit not as good as Haye in that respect. Thats a myth that Ali was hard to hit he was all show as far as defence was concerned. He was very quick with a very good chin.

Ali would get his head knocked off his shoulders and it would fall to the ground where it would lay deformed and smoking. Wladimir is to good and to big with to much power for Ali to handle.
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Ali never fought anyone remotely like Wlad, Wlad by late stoppage or UD.
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that is exactly how ali would of had to fight Vlad if he was to survive at a distance and flop on the ground. Now Ali may try to fight but then he would lose because he was not good at being the aggressor. You are just stupid
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I would give the footwork edge to Vlad Ali fast moved to much to his left very seldom kept his lead foot outside of his opponents lead. Vlad is very textbook. Ali got away with it because his opponents were not very textbook
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Yeah! And Ali got knocked down by Chuck Wepner and had to cheat against 33-11-1 Henry Cooper!
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Ali could dance around guys and 'not get hit' who were 3 inches shorter than him. Some of you guys are comparing apples to oranges.
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Where did this "Ali couldnt be hit!" come from?

Sonny Banks knocked him down.

Henry Cooper knocked him down.

Joe Frazier knocked him down.

Chuck Wepner knocked him down.

Ken Norton broke his jaw.
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My point is that it is very hard to get close to Wlad in order to land big shots on him unless the opponent is ready and willing to endure big punishment while doing so.

Ali could run around in the distance and evade Wlad's biggest shots, yes. But he wouldn't land jackshit himself like that.
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Ali struggled against defensive boxers - Jones, Norton, Young. He was never that good at pressuring opponents nor at blocking the punches. Ali kept his right hand low and that left him open to counter jabs and left hooks. That would cost Ali dearly against fast HW with size and reach advantage like Wlad. Wlad would outjab Ali to a comfortable UD.
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I read all the posts and can only conclude that you are all so befuddled about the K bros dominance that you have to unload your frustrations with this lop-sided poll.
So have at it. Wlad very possibly could have KO'd a careless Ali
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Wlad is a much better technical boxer than Ali, has a power left jab like Holmes had that backs his man up and finishes with a quick, devastating right cross or overhand right. Wlad is much taller than Ali and much heavier and stronger. Ali has crazy defensive skills and an epic chin. Wlad by decision.
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Wlad is well-schooled boxer who knows how to cut off the ring. Wlad also has one of the best jabs and left hooks in history - precisely the punches that troubled Ali the most. That, plus reach/size advantage and Ali is there for a long night.
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It's funny how haters take a scared little jack rabbit who couldnt even win a round against Wladimir and turn it into a victory. Talk about grasping at straws.
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You haters are so desperate for any hope that your past heros would beat the Klitschkos that you try and use a fighter whos game plan was to fall down and start begging the ref for a DQ win as a sign from heaven your great Ali could annihilated them.
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I love the argumentation 'Ali beat Frazier and Foreman, so Wlad has no chance!!!!!!!'. So what? Styles make fights. Some of the worst logic you can find on ESB and it's just as terrible as the Klit fanboys who yell 'Wlad is so tall he can't be beaten'.

Any Klit hater who can't appreciate that Wlad is at the very least a very tough challenge for Ali is just delusional.
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Wladimir by murder. Think Henry Cooper.
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Power is my point. Wladimir has too much power and speed. Cooper, an older guy, had Ali all but out. Angelo saved that fight for Ali. Mentioned Cooper because that happened just prior to Ali winning the championship from Liston. If Cooper could do that it is not piss poor logic to consider that Wladimir could do it. I believe he could, hence my position.
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Even Chuck Wepner knocked Ali down. But stupid ESB members think Wladimir couldnt.
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That must be the stupidest excuse I've ever seen on this Forum!
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Wlad has never been outboxed.

Two of his losses were due to gassing out (something he makes sure he will NEVER do again), one was to Sanders knocking him down 4 times.

Ali is not a puncher. He can't and wont hit like Sanders, and Wlad doesn't rush in like he used to. Wlad would outbox, out muscle, and out punch Ali.

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Old 04-05-2012, 11:46 PM   #213
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Agreed

Ali never fought anyone like Wlad.

That rope a dope bullshit won't work against Wlad.

Ali can't outsmart Wlad.

Ali can't outbox Wlad.

Feather fisted Ali can't stop Wlad.

Ali can't outpoint Wlad.

Styles make fights, Wlad is a nightmare matchup for Ali.

Wlad by wide UD or late KO
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Ali is so overrated it's disgusting.
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Good post.

Ali was too susceptible to jabs and left hooks.

Ali was knocked down, badly hurt and almost KO'd (should've been a KO) by a slow weak left hook from 180 lb bum Cooper

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The ridiculously overrated Ali would get KTFO by Wlad's steelhammer left hook.


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Old 04-06-2012, 12:31 AM   #214
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It'd be interesting to see this question posed to boxing fans in twenty years.
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:22 AM   #215
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Vlad by knockout!!!!!!! Henry Cooper had Ali out, Angelo Dundee had to cut Ali's glove to keep him from being knocked out. Henry Cooper was a very small boxer. The prejudice against Vitali and Vlad make some very stupid.............
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:26 PM   #216
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Vlad by knockout!!!!!!! Henry Cooper had Ali out, Angelo Dundee had to cut Ali's glove to keep him from being knocked out. Henry Cooper was a very small boxer. The prejudice against Vitali and Vlad make some very stupid.............
FFS boxing has always been as simple as that.
What about Ali taking shots from Shavers,Liston,Foreman,Frazier and Lyle some of the biggest hitters ever, and only one knockdown suffered in 8 fights against those guys.
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:55 PM   #217
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Ali gets inside of Wlad and shoots of the combinations and dances round his jab all night until the innevitable happens

Ali in 10
Ali as an inside fighter?

Well, since he is a G.O.A.T. I guess he could transform like that in an instant
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:16 PM   #218
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Ali as an inside fighter?

Well, since he is a G.O.A.T. I guess he could transform like that in an instant
Bizzar isn"t it !
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:25 PM   #219
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It'd be interesting to see this question posed to boxing fans in twenty years.

It'll be the samething.
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:25 PM   #220
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Purrity, Sanders, Brewster, Byrd, and Lewis all won by stoppage. On Ali's worst night, he was never stopped, knocked out, or quit in his prime.
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:27 PM   #221
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Ali as an inside fighter?

Well, since he is a G.O.A.T. I guess he could transform like that in an instant
Where did he say that Ali was an inside fighter mother****er?
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:34 PM   #222
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wlad ud
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:40 PM   #223
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duke sabedong who stood 6'6" once said that ali did not hurt him at all. granted ali was young but duke was at best a journeyman. i haven't seen their fight but i tend to agree that ali would have a tough time with either klitchko because of their height.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:45 PM   #224
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Your hand can't grab what your fists can't jab, float like a butteryfly, sting like a bee!

Thread should have ended there.

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Old 04-12-2012, 06:21 PM   #225
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Haye is a mental midget, he might have a good physique but mentally he is several levels below any top 10 fighter in the 70's. Your looking at videos on you tube and saying to yourself "look Haye is miles faster than Ali, looks like he hit's harder too!" What your missing is a basic understanding of mental strength which is something the modern HW scene is missing, without the competition it is impossible to say how good the Klits are. The 70's were classic because you had several great fighters who all fought each other, in the cold light of day Ali got the best of most but it was the competition between them that made them great. Bigger does not mean better.

The only time the Bitchko Sisters had wars they lost all of them, how do you expect to beat Ali who found a way to win even when getting battered?

Physical attributes are good but without the adaptability and will to win that other champs had I just don't see how Vlad beats Ali.

You clowns fail AGAIN.
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