Muhammad Ali at his best vs. Wladimir Klitschko at his best, who wins?

[madballster]

Originally Posted by AnotherFan

Whats your point? Even if Wlad is taller, that hardly makes his shots harder to evade.

My point is that it is very hard to get close to Wlad in order to land big shots on him unless the opponent is ready and willing to endure big punishment while doing so.

Ali could run around in the distance and evade Wlad's biggest shots, yes. But he wouldn't land jackshit himself like that.

[madballster]

Originally Posted by jyuza

Those thinking Wladimir has a chance here seriously need to quit everything related to boxing right fuckin' now.

No sorry, just because I don't believe Ali would 'blow away Wlad' easily without breaking a sweat then that means I don't know jackshit about boxing?

Oh excuse me. Yes Ali was invulnerable, could walk over water and punch through brick walls. You classic nutheads are just as dumb as the worst Klit fanboys. Both extremes are completely idiotic.

[coog]

Originally Posted by bernie4366

There hasn't been a heavyweight in 10 years better than Sonny Liston or prime George Foreman. Amateur boxing has DECLINED since the 60's, pretty radically in fact. Ali hardly EVER got hit in his prime, he's the most elusive heavyweight that ever lived. Ali moved left, right, backwards and forwards and he apparently hit hard enough to knock out ATG heavyweights.

Any other really dumb points you want to use to expose the fact that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?

I do know what I am talking about watch some films on Liston and George Foreman was young and stupid when he stepped into the ring with Ali. Ali got lucky and he knew it so did Angelo if they would of had another fight George would have put Ali away. so A prime George foreman was actually when he was in his forties. I do not think that Liston had an amateur background at all. yes amateur boxing has declined in the USA not not in other countries. Liston was a big heavyweight back then but not in this era. check and see how many of ali's opponents or Listons opponents had an extensive amateur background to learn the basics foreman did and a few others. Yes Ali did have good lateral movement but he had a typical pattern . a lot of fighters have god lateral movement. I do know what I am talking about . Do not use the word fact in anything that you post because you will always have a difficult time proving fact

[Ryan O'Reilly]

Originally Posted by Arcane

Ali still beat both those guys

Wlad has been down against fat bum Sam Peter and got brutally ended by part time golfer Corrie Sanders

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[coog]

Another thing both fighters fought to make the fight shorter by their tactics.

[coog]

Originally Posted by KINGOFTHE1ROUND

Ali was no power hitter but he had what it takes to TKO glass chin Wlad. And Ali stopped guys as big as Wlad. Wepner was 6'6" and 240 and was tougher than Wlad.
Ali would be hit a few times but he would take it and drop Wlad eventually.
Ali TKO11 Wlady boy

Why do you want to lie? Wepner never stepped into the ring anywhere near 240 lbs the most I think was 220 to 225 he was closer to 6'4" But he was the New york city Novice champion as an amateur and that is how he did fight.

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[KO KIDD]

I would favor Ali but Wlad would have more than just a chance at winning

[jyuza]

Originally Posted by madballster

No sorry, just because I don't believe Ali would 'blow away Wlad' easily without breaking a sweat then that means I don't know jackshit about boxing?

Oh excuse me. Yes Ali was invulnerable, could walk over water and punch through brick walls. You classic nutheads are just as dumb as the worst Klit fanboys. Both extremes are completely idiotic.

Who are you sir ?

[Triple Counter]

Ali by KO. More interesting would be Ali vs Vitali. Ali by UD.

[Dee]

Originally Posted by coog

Totally different Vlad is bigger stronger probably just as fast

Lollllll

Wlad is 'probably' just as fast as Ali...

hahahahahahahahaha

[Rudyard]

Originally Posted by Big Red

Ali had a great chin, but he was not good at not getting hit not as good as Haye in that respect. Thats a myth that Ali was hard to hit he was all show as far as defence was concerned. He was very quick with a very good chin.

I cant believe what I'm reading..Ali is miles ahead of Haye in every aspect of the game with the exception of power punching...

Ali would get his head knocked off his shoulders and it would fall to the ground where it would lay deformed and smoking. Wladimir is to good and to big with to much power for Ali to handle.

Ali has been hit by thunderous shots during his career and highly doubt he would get dropped by Wlad.

What if Wlad cant land anything of note on Ali??? How will he deal with ad******g his initial game plan??? I see you left that little part out of your post...Ali would make the right adjustments and find a way to beat Wlad...His ring generalship gets very overlooked today by NEW SCHOOL fans.

Originally Posted by coog

that is exactly how ali would of had to fight Vlad if he was to survive at a distance and flop on the ground. Now Ali may try to fight but then he would lose because he was not good at being the aggressor. You are just stupid

WOW, so let me get this straight...I'm stupid because I dont see Wlad beating Ali???

Gotta love how dumbass people cant accept one's opinion...You can call me stupid all you want but that still not gonna get your point across...If Wlad sits back and fight a patient fight...He's gonna get picked apart...IF Wlad tries to press the action...He's gonna get countered and eventually stopped in the later rounds...Ali has the chin to take what Wlad dishes out.

You need to seriously watch more film before you try to run your mouth and call somebody stupid!

[ZippyMan]

Wepner knocks Ali down but Wlad can't? Yeah right.

Wepner must have been some sort white ninga super 60s HW.

[Rudyard]

Originally Posted by ZippyMan

Wepner knocks Ali down but Wlad can't? Yeah right.

Wepner must have been some sort white ninga super 60s HW.

I love this type of logic...Brewster, Puritty, and Sanders KO'ed Wlad but Ali cant?

Hell, Peter Knocked down Wlad, you mean to tell me Ali cant??

[AnotherFan]

Originally Posted by Rudyard

I cant believe what I'm reading..Ali is miles ahead of Haye in every aspect of the game with the exception of power punching...

Surely, but perhaps with a questionmark for reflexes. Hayes reflexes are truly superb, and IMO his best asset. Obviously he aint got the footwork to go with it, but I wonder if a prime Ali was really that much harder to hit than a defensive Haye.

Originally Posted by Rudyard

Ali has been hit by thunderous shots during his career and highly doubt he would get dropped by Wlad.

Wlad would have been among the hardest hitter Ali had faced. There is a chance Wlad would have dropped him, but it aint nothing to bet money on.

Originally Posted by Rudyard

What if Wlad cant land anything of note on Ali??? How will he deal with ad******g his initial game plan??? I see you left that little part out of your post...Ali would make the right adjustments and find a way to beat Wlad...His ring generalship gets very overlooked today by NEW SCHOOL fans.

I agree with both points. Wlad would struggle to land, and Ali would adjust.

Originally Posted by Rudyard

If Wlad sits back and fight a patient fight...He's gonna get picked apart...

Wlad has a good defence nad is good at winning rounds with his jab. I think this strategy would be the best option for him, and would perhaps be suffiicent to make it close.

Originally Posted by Rudyard

IF Wlad tries to press the action...He's gonna get countered and eventually stopped in the later rounds...

Assumning he breaks down mentally as he did against Purrity and Sanders, no doubt.

Originally Posted by Rudyard

Ali has the chin to take what Wlad dishes out.

Against punchers like Wlad there is no bulletproof chin, but there is a good chance it would hold up.

Originally Posted by Rudyard

You need to seriously watch more film before you try to run your mouth and call somebody stupid!

The luxury of calling strangers stupid is what brings people to ESB. Without it, the webbpage would lack visitors and stop exisiting. For the good of ESB you should encourage it.