Lewis was going to get KO'd by Vitali..Really

[Big Red]

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

I wouldn't use the word landslide. It was sort of like the first round, it may have been a feeling out round, but it was a round that Vitali clearly won. This round the punches had far more bad intentions behind them but it really wasn't a particularly hard round to score. Basically Vitali may have landed more but Lewis was walking though his punches to try and land his own and the punches he was throwing were designed to end the fight.

Vitali landed more punched and many of them were hard punches not as hard as Lewis's single uppercut but they were hard damaging shots. And I think Lewis would have taken one more round like that, but not another. Those shots were doing damage.


Interesting enough Lederman had the fight 48-47 for Vitali after the 5th round, so presumably he had the fight tied prior to the stoppage. Personally the score wasn't really an issue for me, Vitali started out fast, Lewis started out slow, but by the 5th and 6th rounds, while both were clearly tired, Lewis was clearly the one trying to end the fight. I noticed in the 5th round Lewis landed 23 punches while Vitali landed 27 but Lewis landed a far higher percentage of the punches he was throwing.

Lederman's score cards have never been good and probably never will. And compubox is also not to be trusted imo. I trust my own eye's and Vitali won every round the 6th being a close round. Many of Vitali's punches looked hard it don't matter if Lewis stood up to them. Vitali stood up to Lewis's punches better through the entire fight.

But honestly rather than having different camps support different fighters boxing fans should be praising both fighters for a very very hard fought and entertaining fight.

I agee that both fighters should get praise, but that would not make for much debate if we all thought that way.

[Vanboxingfan]

Originally Posted by awesome1612

Lewis didn't have the strength to KO Vitali. Think about it, Lewis landed no real power shots apart from 1 that was a result of a hold. Vitali landed 3 good power shots that almost laid Lewis out along with a numerous amount of punches.

Vitali was going to win...

You seem to have saw a different fight than the rest of us. The fight I saw Vitali was hanging on for dear life at the end of the 6th round. They were backing up and Lewis was trying to shake him off so he could finish the job. Prior to that with 18 seconds left Lewis threw a 3 punch combination, one to the body and two to the head. The first head shot clearly hurt Vitali and that's why he started hanging on.

Don't believe me? Watch it again.

[Vanboxingfan]

Originally Posted by Big Red

I agee that both fighters should get praise, but that would not make for much debate if we all thought that way.

Well at the end of the day there's really nothing to debate, lewis won the fight, and most people who've seen the fight give the last round to Lewis, as did all the judges. Seems strange how the judges decisions only matter to justify a hypothetical result as to who was winning prior to the stoppage but their opinions don''t seem to count when the 6th round is being discussed.

I really don't see how Vitali won the 6th round, any more than I see how Lewis won the 2nd round.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

You seem to have saw a different fight than the rest of us. The fight I saw Vitali was hanging on for dear life at the end of the 6th round. They were backing up and Lewis was trying to shake him off so he could finish the job. Prior to that with 18 seconds left Lewis threw a 3 punch combination, one to the body and two to the head. The first head shot clearly hurt Vitali and that's why he started hanging on.

Don't believe me? Watch it again.

I wouldn't bother with this idiot. He's quickly establishing himself as one of the worst posters on the board. Some achievement considering the competition.

[timagen]

Who knows really; Lewis was looking better in the sixth round but collapsed like a sack of dirt on his stool at round's end.

Lewis should have given the rematch, but he chose not too; so, he should be quiet and enjoy his retirement.

[KINGOFTHE1ROUND]

If that fight wasn't stopped,Quitali would have one good eye today. The ref saved his career. TKO6 bitch.

[Big Red]

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

Well at the end of the day there's really nothing to debate, lewis won the fight, and most people who've seen the fight give the last round to Lewis, as did all the judges. Seems strange how the judges decisions only matter to justify a hypothetical result as to who was winning prior to the stoppage but their opinions don''t seem to count when the 6th round is being discussed.

I really don't see how Vitali won the 6th round, any more than I see how Lewis won the 2nd round.

Vitali was the better boxer in the fight and dished out more punishment. Lewis was just fortunate that he was able to open up a cut on Vitali something you can not always count on. Vitali out boxed Lewis and was blinded at times while doing so. I would rather be the guy who was able to out box the other rather then having to rely on causing a cut to get the win. Thats why Lewis never rematched Vitali is he knew the odds were stacked a mile high against him.

If there is nothing to debate then why is there a on going long thread on this forums first page almost every day? Its because the British are the most fanatic fans in the world and likely in its entire history. And they will never admit that Vitali gave Lewis a boxing lesson and Lewis ducked a rematch because he thought he could not win.

Lewis got the w and thats about it, thats not all that matters at the end of the day in my world. Vitali proved himself to be the better fighter, that counts for more in my books.

[Vanboxingfan]

Originally Posted by Big Red

Vitali was the better boxer in the fight and dished out more punishment. Lewis was just fortunate that he was able to open up a cut on Vitali something you can not always count on. Vitali out boxed Lewis and was blinded at times while doing so. I would rather be the guy who was able to out box the other rather then having to rely on causing a cut to get the win. Thats why Lewis never rematched Vitali is he knew the odds were stacked a mile high against him.

If there is nothing to debate then why is there a on going long thread on this forums first page almost every day? Its because the British are the most fanatic fans in the world and likely in its entire history. And they will never admit that Vitali gave Lewis a boxing lesson and Lewis ducked a rematch because he thought he could not win.

Lewis got the w and thats about it, thats not all that matters at the end of the day in my world. Vitali proved himself to be the better fighter, that counts for more in my books.

This is where we disagree. Yes Vitali landed more punches but Vitali looked like he was hit by a truck by the time the fight ended. You can rationalize all you want, but no way in hell was the damaged caused by one punch. And if you once again watch the last 18 sec of the 6th round, you'd notice that Vitali was hanging on for dear life. If this were amateur boxing where power doesn't matter only the number of punches landed then yes, Vitali would win, but Lewis turned this into a dog fight and there was no hope in hell that this fight was ever going to go to the cards. So in terms of who dished out more punishment, Lewis was the clear winner, hell all you have to do is look at both of them after the fight to see who received the most punishment. It's extremely clear that Vitali received more.

Hard to say how a rematch would have played out, there's just to many scenarios. My feelings were that if they rematched Lewis would have opened those cuts up again. Some laugh at that and say it was only lucky the cuts occurred, but they're kids who haven't watched boxing nearly as long as I have, because luck or not scare tissue is always prone to opening up easier a second time.

As for the reason there's nothing to debate is because the fight happened almost 10 years ago and last I checked the official outcome hasn't changed. Even Vitali admits he lost the fight, it's only rabid Klitschko fans that can't seem to accept reality.

[Threetime no1]

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

This is where we disagree. Yes Vitali landed more punches but Vitali looked like he was hit by a truck by the time the fight ended. You can rationalize all you want, but no way in hell was the damaged caused by one punch. And if you once again watch the last 18 sec of the 6th round, you'd notice that Vitali was hanging on for dear life. If this were amateur boxing where power doesn't matter only the number of punches landed then yes, Vitali would win, but Lewis turned this into a dog fight and there was no hope in hell that this fight was ever going to go to the cards. So in terms of who dished out more punishment, Lewis was the clear winner, hell all you have to do is look at both of them after the fight to see who received the most punishment. It's extremely clear that Vitali received more.

Hard to say how a rematch would have played out, there's just to many scenarios. My feelings were that if they rematched Lewis would have opened those cuts up again. Some laugh at that and say it was only lucky the cuts occurred, but they're kids who haven't watched boxing nearly as long as I have, because luck or not scare tissue is always prone to opening up easier a second time.

As for the reason there's nothing to debate is because the fight happened almost 10 years ago and last I checked the official outcome hasn't changed. Even Vitali admits he lost the fight, it's only rabid Klitschko fans that can't seem to accept reality.

Good post.

[derrick]

Originally Posted by Farmboxer

Lewis was finished. Lewis had a very badly broken nose, was out of gas completely, had been staggered by Vitali more than once. Vitali would have stopped him in the 7th round. The Klitschko's are the best ever because they are white and nothing more. I still say Wlad was drugged by Don King and he will be arrested. The Klitscko's are both undefeated,

Farmy Vitali was very tired also. Vitali was hurt at the end of that round. Didnt you see him holding.? You can't say for sure what would have happen. Yes Vitali was ahead by 2 points but there was a long way to go in that fight. There is no way in hell Vitali would have made the final bell. Lewis was just the better fighter and he won fair and squre. Vitali just has weak white skin that cuts to easy. Vitali had his chance in the second round and blew it. But Lewis has been hurt early in fights before and always comes back and wins. Look how bad Briggs hurt Lewis or even Michael Grant. Lewis is just better than the Klitschko Brothers. Lewis would have knocked of Wlad in the first round do to Wlad eggchin.

[derrick]

(controversial doctor stoppage)?? Are you guys nuts??? His eye was That fight should have been stopped faster. Lewis was ripping Vitali's paper skin up

[Big Red]

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

This is where we disagree. Yes Vitali landed more punches but Vitali looked like he was hit by a truck by the time the fight ended. You can rationalize all you want, but no way in hell was the damaged caused by one punch. And if you once again watch the last 18 sec of the 6th round, you'd notice that Vitali was hanging on for dear life. If this were amateur boxing where power doesn't matter only the number of punches landed then yes, Vitali would win, but Lewis turned this into a dog fight and there was no hope in hell that this fight was ever going to go to the cards. So in terms of who dished out more punishment, Lewis was the clear winner, hell all you have to do is look at both of them after the fight to see who received the most punishment. It's extremely clear that Vitali received more.


Vitali had a flesh wound around his eye but it was Lewis who looked more like he had been hit by a truck then Vital. Lewis's face was swollen to twice the normal size and his nose split and broken and as he spoke aftwards in the interview he spoke in a totaly punch drunk fashion that made all that he said about the state of Vitali's face seem laughable.

You say Lewis turned it into a dog fight and won the 6th, but did you count the 10 polaxing punches that Vitali landed compared to Lewis's 3?

Hard to say how a rematch would have played out, there's just to many scenarios. My feelings were that if they rematched Lewis would have opened those cuts up again. Some laugh at that and say it was only lucky the cuts occurred, but they're kids who haven't watched boxing nearly as long as I have, because luck or not scare tissue is always prone to opening up easier a second time.

Lewis would have taken the rematch if he thought he stood a good chance of winning. He knew that to retire and not rematch Vitali would blemish his legacy ,but he thought and wrongly that it would blemish it less then getting smacked around like a pinyata and destroyed. He was wrong though everyone would have respected him for fighting Vitali and getting destroyed and facing up to his fears. Thats the part that makes me laugh is Lewis thought he could run away and it would be ok,but that is never ok. He can still right the wrong, but its almost to late now.

As for the reason there's nothing to debate is because the fight happened almost 10 years ago and last I checked the official outcome hasn't changed. Even Vitali admits he lost the fight, it's only rabid Klitschko fans that can't seem to accept reality.

The offical outcome don't always matter do you think the offical outcome mattered the first time Lewis fought Holyfield? Everyone knows that Lewis won that fight fair and square. And he performed better actually in their first meeting then the second fight. Same with the Vitali fight, everyone knows that Vitali handed him his a**.

You say Klitschko fans are rabid but the britsh are the most rabid fans ever. That makes them the best fans in my opinion and they have been very convincing in their arguments and tenacious and have convinced many people of their many of their lies.

[Vanboxingfan]

Originally Posted by Big Red

The offical outcome don't always matter do you think the offical outcome mattered the first time Lewis fought Holyfield? Everyone knows that Lewis won that fight fair and square. And he performed better actually in their first meeting then the second fight. Same with the Vitali fight, everyone knows that Vitali handed him his a**.

You say Klitschko fans are rabid but the britsh are the most rabid fans ever. That makes them the best fans in my opinion and they have been very convincing in their arguments and tenacious and have convinced many people of their many of their lies.

Well with respect to Lewis vs Holyfield of course he won the first fight, the decision was so bad there was an investigation afterwards.

But I don't know how you can say Vitali handed him his ass after watching the fight and looking at the condition of the two fighters afterwards.

You're entitled to your opinion but it's a mystry to me how the guy who looked like he'd be hit by a truck, was hanging on for dear life at the end of the 6th and was fighting while practically blind, was the one dishing out most of the punishment.

I'm not british but honestly the fight speaks for itself. One shouldn't have to be of any nationality to see how the fight unfolded, it's there for all to see. Nor is it a particularly hard fight to examine. Vitali got off to a fast start, and either Lewis's time was off or he found Vitali awkward or Vitali was the better fighter at that point, any of these answers work.

But over time particular in the last 2 rounds he started finding his mark and was walking Vitali down. At the end of the 6th, in which Lewis clearly won by most people's account, Vitali was drapped all over him due to a 3 punch combo with 18 seconds left. This combo actually hurt Vitali more than the upper cut did and the round ended with Lewis trying to shake Vitali off him so he could finish him off. How can this been seen any other way?

Watch the last 18 sec's and give me your interpretation of what was happening.

[vonBanditos]

Originally Posted by Vladimir23

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE FACTS

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice.

I stopped reading here. If you can't even start without being deceptive then there's no reason to take the rest seriously.

[Big Red]

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

Well with respect to Lewis vs Holyfield of course he won the first fight, the decision was so bad there was an investigation afterwards.

But I don't know how you can say Vitali handed him his ass after watching the fight and looking at the condition of the two fighters afterwards.

You're entitled to your opinion but it's a mystry to me how the guy who looked like he'd be hit by a truck, was hanging on for dear life at the end of the 6th and was fighting while practically blind, was the one dishing out most of the punishment.

You say it looked like Vitali was hit by a truck but he was only cut. That happens from single punches and they only get worse as the fight goes it does not take particulaly hard shots to open up a cut more and more.

Like I said count the hard shots in the 6th round alone and you will see that Vitali landed more hard shots then Lewis. Lewis did land the single hardest punch though.

I'm not british but honestly the fight speaks for itself. One shouldn't have to be of any nationality to see how the fight unfolded, it's there for all to see. Nor is it a particularly hard fight to examine. Vitali got off to a fast start, and either Lewis's time was off or he found Vitali awkward or Vitali was the better fighter at that point, any of these answers work.



But over time particular in the last 2 rounds he started finding his mark and was walking Vitali down. At the end of the 6th, in which Lewis clearly won by most people's account, Vitali was drapped all over him due to a 3 punch combo with 18 seconds left. This combo actually hurt Vitali more than the upper cut did and the round ended with Lewis trying to shake Vitali off him so he could finish him off. How can this been seen any other way?

Watch the last 18 sec's and give me your interpretation of what was happening.

The Last 18 seconds Lewis won but that don't matter as Vitali won the entire fight. Vitali like you said got off to a fast start and was even doing well enough to win the final rounds.

And don't forget that Vitali was winning those final rounds being blind in one eye. You say Lewis was figuring him out but he was fortunate that he had caused a cut that was blinding Vitali. Thats why Lewis was being more competive the last rounds.