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Old 04-13-2012, 06:49 PM   #1
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Default Who's the first guy to achieve "greatness" in each division?

So i'm looking for the man who set the bar for greatness division by division.

I'll give it a go and see if anyone disagrees.

Hw: sullivan
Cw: holyfield
Lhw: fitz
Smw: jones
Mw: dempsey
Lmw: hearns
Ww: barbados
Lww: locche
Lw: mccauliffe
Sfw: arguello
Fw: dixon
Sbw: gomez
Bw: mcgovern
Sflw: watanabe
Flw: wilde
Lflw: chang
Stw: lopez

Thoughts?

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Old 04-13-2012, 07:00 PM   #2
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So i'm looking for the man who set the bar for greatness division by division.

I'll give it a go and see if anyone disagrees.

Hw: sullivan
Cw: holyfield
Lhw: fitz
Smw: calz
Mw: dempsey
Lmw: hearns
Ww: barbados
Lww: locche
Lw: gans
Sfw: arguello
Fw: can't think from top of my head.
Sbw: gomez
Bw: can't remember from top of my head
Sflw: can't remember from top of my head
Flw: wilde
Lflw: chang
Stw: lopez

Thoughts?
I'm not sure Fitzsimmons achieved greatness at light-heavy. Fighting as a lhw was a minor thing towards the end of his career, I think. And that title had little prestige until sometime later. I think.

Jack McAuliffe came before Gans.

Roy Jones Jr. was great at super-middle.

Heavyweight there might be someone before John L. , like Jem Mace.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:13 PM   #3
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I'm not sure Fitzsimmons achieved greatness at light-heavy. Fighting as a lhw was a minor thing towards the end of his career, I think. And that title had little prestige until sometime later. I think.

Jack McAuliffe came before Gans.

Roy Jones Jr. was great at super-middle.

Heavyweight there might be someone before John L. , like Jem Mace.
Who at lhw then?
Greb?

I'm not well versed on mcauliffe.

I don't think jones was great at smw. Nor was mace at hw.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:27 PM   #4
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Who at lhw then?
Greb?

I'm not well versed on mcauliffe.

I don't think jones was great at smw. Nor was mace at hw.
Possibly Greb at lhw, possibly Jack Dillon.

I absolutely believe Jones was great at super-middle.
His win over Toney was world-shaking, it stood above the division - and the division was strong at the time.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:32 PM   #5
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luf you've been making some great threads lately. keep it up!

and imo jones was absolutely great at 168. i can see the argument against it based on resume, longevity, etc.

however in the end he's by far the greatest/most talented fighter in the divisions history
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:43 PM   #6
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So i'm looking for the man who set the bar for greatness division by division.

I'll give it a go and see if anyone disagrees.

Hw: sullivan
Cw: holyfield
Lhw: fitz
Smw: calz
Mw: dempsey
Lmw: hearns
Ww: barbados
Lww: locche
Lw: gans
Sfw: arguello
Fw: can't think from top of my head.
Sbw: gomez
Bw: can't remember from top of my head
Sflw: can't remember from top of my head

Flw: wilde
Lflw: chang
Stw: lopez

Thoughts?
BW - Dixon, perhaps
SFlW - Jiro Watanabe?
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:52 PM   #7
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Featherweight should either be Abe Attell or Terry McGovern.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:30 AM   #8
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Fine! Jones it is at smw.

Dixon at fw

Mcgovern at bw

Watanabe at sflw
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:48 AM   #9
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Heavyweight there might be someone before John L. , like Jem Mace.
jem mace was a jobber jabroni.

the first great heavyweight was broughton, figg didn't have enough documentation on his career.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:00 PM   #10
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No, Roy Jones Junior was a great fighter at SMW. He did not achive greatness at SMW! He used it as a stop over, on his way to LHW.
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:04 PM   #11
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No, Roy Jones Junior was a great fighter at SMW. He did not achive greatness at SMW! He used it as a stop over, on his way to LHW.
I don't know, you know.

He really set the standard for consistency in the division.
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:56 PM   #12
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I don't know, you know.

He really set the standard for consistency in the division.
I'd argue that he lacks a resume there sir. He may have the greatest win in the history of the division with Toney, but it seems silly to give this honour to a man who wasn't in the division very long.
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Old 04-14-2012, 04:07 PM   #13
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I'd argue that he lacks a resume there sir. He may have the greatest win in the history of the division with Toney, but it seems silly to give this honour to a man who wasn't in the division very long.
Well sir i'd contend that achieving such a great victory in a new division is achieving greatness.

Like hearns over duran at lmw.
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How about Philadelphia Jack O'Brien for Light Heavyweight?
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:24 PM   #15
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How about Philadelphia Jack O'Brien for Light Heavyweight?
I considered him, but i'm not convinced he actually did that much at the weight.

He was embarrassed by burns and he lost to langford and ketchel I believe.

Can't recall from top of my head which indicates to me he wasn't great.
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