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Old 01-11-2008, 01:12 AM   #31
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Walcott actually was robbed in first Louis fight your info
It was a legitimate win for Louis, based on the scoring system used at the time, as was confirmed by NY commission.

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To call him a journyman is an insult to yourself more than to Walcott.
Most of his career he was nothing more than a journeyman. A very inconsistent one. All those excuses about him starving, etc, are bullshit that are not backed up by anything.
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Old 01-11-2008, 01:15 AM   #32
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I think I'll go with Toney in the early rounds. Round 1 sounds about right.
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Old 01-11-2008, 05:16 AM   #33
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It was a legitimate win for Louis, based on the scoring system used at the time, as was confirmed by NY commission.


Most of his career he was nothing more than a journeyman. A very inconsistent one. All those excuses about him starving, etc, are bullshit that are not backed up by anything.
He had no decent management until 1945.
He was a struggling black prelim fighter, got given fights for tiny purses at late-notice, he was a manual worker or on the relief checks, not a fully-paid full-time fighter.
Management is important, obviously.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:34 AM   #34
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this would be fought in the cruiserweight division. who takes this battle of the slicksters?
Walcott. He hit harder, and had the type of stuff that could spoil Toney's style of counter punching.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:54 AM   #35
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While both are superb boxers Walcott has three key advantages.

1. He hits much harder.
2. He is faster.
3. He is more mobile.

Taking these three advantages into consideration I dont see what Toney can bring to the table that he cant deal with.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:54 AM   #36
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I think I'll go with Toney in the early rounds. Round 1 sounds about right.
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Old 01-11-2008, 07:25 AM   #37
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He was a struggling black prelim fighter, got given fights for tiny purses at late-notice, he was a manual worker or on the relief checks, not a fully-paid full-time fighter.
If he had a little more talent, he'd still get through without so many bad marks. You don't lose so many fights, especially at your hometown, unless you are just an inconsistent journeyman. Great old timers fought more often and often in life conditions as bad as Walcott's, but were more successful and consistent than him.
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Old 01-11-2008, 07:56 AM   #38
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While both are superb boxers Walcott has three key advantages.

1. He hits much harder.
2. He is faster.
3. He is more mobile.

Taking these three advantages into consideration I dont see what Toney can bring to the table that he cant deal with.
4. Toney doesn't like fighters who are laid-back and not aggressive, he is best when the opponent comes at him.
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Old 01-11-2008, 01:12 PM   #39
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Okay, okay.... 1 minute into round 2, I'll be fair to Walcott.
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:11 PM   #40
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well jersey joe beat ezzard charles, and ezzard is imo better than toney

definitely walcott on this one but it would be a dull encounter
no joe beat a washed up charles twice. where as when they were both younger, charles whopped dat ass.
also toney is far more of a complete fighter than charles.
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Old 01-11-2008, 09:02 PM   #41
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Joe would give james Toney a ass kicking like hes never had, tko in late rds.
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Old 01-11-2008, 09:11 PM   #42
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no joe beat a washed up charles twice. where as when they were both younger, charles whopped dat ass.
also toney is far more of a complete fighter than charles.


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Old 01-11-2008, 09:20 PM   #43
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Jersey joe Walcott is a hot and cold fighter, i hate it when people try and make it sound like hes a true ATG, when he really isnt one. The man lost to a contender like rex layne at his peak, he has many other losses to lesser fighters.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:54 PM   #44
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Jersey joe Walcott is a hot and cold fighter, i hate it when people try and make it sound like hes a true ATG, when he really isnt one. The man lost to a contender like rex layne at his peak, he has many other losses to lesser fighters.
Rex Layne was tearing threw dicison at time, and had beat 3 top ten contenders, Layne was touted as next Dempsey. It's not like Walcott got beat by some John Ruiz type.
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Old 01-12-2008, 07:27 AM   #45
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LMAO
i forgot the main points.

walcott at best weighed below 200, only just. and in the cruiserweight division toney still had one punch knockout power. he had plenty of one punch ko's when he weighed around 190-200. so anyone saying walcott hit harder is ignorant. im not saying toney hit harder, we cant tell.

some idiot said walcott was faster, and another said he was more mobile than toney. maybe on his feet but it didnt make his defense any betta. toney is so good he could stand infront of you and you still cant hit him.

i know how great walcott was, but you guyz are sure underestimating toney, watch his fights and trust me you will have a different opinion.
since walcott is only a cruiser, i see toney stopping him, after breaking him down.

another important point, i have never seen a fighter like toney who had the same patience, composure and patience. it is almost impossible to break james toney in any way. for a guy with a bad temper he is amaizingly patient in the ring with great concentration.
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