Unofficial Divisional World Rankings April 2012 Update - Where should we rank Rios???

[Jonsey]

These Rankings are reflective of performances in fights, not necessarily official scoring, to mitigate the impact of poor judging.

As always please let me know your thoughts.

Question of the Week...Where do you rank Brandon Rios?

a) Still ranked at 135. If so where?
b) Rank at 140. If so where
c) No Ranking



DIVISIONAL RANKINGS


Heavyweight (201lbs+)
World Champion: Wladimir Klitschko (WBA, IBF, WBO)
Kiev, Ukraine
Beat Ruslan Chagaev June 2009
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2. Vitali Klitschko (WBC)
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Tony Thompson
5. Tomasz Adamek
6. Chris Arreolla
7. Ruslan Chasaev
8. Tyson Fury
9. Odlanier Solis
10. Robert Helenius
11. Alexander Dimitrenko
12. Dennis Boystov
13. Seth Mitchell
14. Bryant Jennings
15. Kurbet Purlev


Cruiserweight (200lbs)
World Champion: Yoan Pablo Hernandez IBF)
Havana, Cuba
Beat Steve Cunningham February 2012
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2. Steve Cunningham
3. Marco Huck (WBO)
4. Dennis Lebedev
5. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk (WBC)
6. Ola Alafoabi
7. Troy Ross
8. Antonio Tarver
8. Guillermo Jones (WBA)
9. Francisco Palacios
10. Alexander Frenkel
11. Steve Herelius
12. Giacobbe Fragomeni
13. Firat Arslan
14. Alexander Alekseev
15. Layteef Kayode


Light Heavyweight (175lbs)
World Champion: Bernard Hopkins (WBC)
Phildelphia, USA
Beat Jean Pascal May 2011
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2. Jean Pascal
3. Chad Dawson
4. Zsolt Erdei
5. Gabriel Campillo
6. Tavoris Cloud (IBF)
7. Beibut Shumenov (WBA)
8. Nathan Cleverly (WBO)
9. Dmitry Sukhotsky
10. Karo Marat
11. Ismayl Sillakh
12. Eduard Gutknecht
13. Adrian Diaconu
14. Yussuf Mack
15. Tony Bellew


Super Middleweight (168lbs)
World Championshion: Andre Ward (WBC, WBA)
Oakland, California
Beat Carl Froch December 2011
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2. Mikkel Kessler
3. Carl Froch
4. Lucian Bute (IBF)
5. Robert Stieglitz (WBO)
6. Andre Dirrell
7. Glen Johnson
8. Arthur Abraham
9. Brian Magee
10. Sakio Bika
11. Karoly Balzsay
12. Kelly Pavlik
13. Edwin Rodriguez
14. George Groves
15. James DeGale


Middleweight (160lbs)
World Champion: Sergio Martinez
Buenos Aires, Agentina
Beat Kelly Pavlik April 2010
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2. Daniel Geale (IBF)
3. Felix Sturm (WBA)
4. Matthew Macklin
5. Julio Cesar Chavez Jnr (WBC)
6. Dimitry Pirog (WBO)
7. Andy Lee
8. Gennady Golovkin
9. Martin Murray
10. Hassan N’Dam N'Jikam
11. Peter Quillin
12. Darren Barker
13. Marco Antonio Rubio
14. Kerry Hope
15. Jermain Taylor


Light Middleweight (154lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Miguel Cotto (WBA)
2. Saul Alvarez (WBC)
3. Erislandy Lara
4. Paul Williams
5. Austin Trout
6. Delvin Rodrigurez
7. Cornelius Bundrage (IBF)
8. Nobuhiro Ishida
9. Carlos Molina
10. James Kirkland
11. Zaurbek Baysangurov (WBO)
12. Antonio Margorito
13. Cory Spinks
14. Lukas Konecny
15. Joshua Clottey


Welterweight (147lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Floyd Mayweather Jnr (WBC)
2. Manny Pacquiao (WBO)
3. Victor Ortiz
4. Andre Berto
5. Shane Mosley
6. Vyacheslav Senchenko (WBA)
7. Devon Alexander
8. Kell Brook
9. Jan Zaveck
10. Mike Jones
11. Selcuk Aydin
12. Ionut Dan Ion
13. Randall Bailey
14. Ismael El Massoudi
15. Brad Solomon

(IBF title vacant)


Light Welterweight (140lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Tim Bradley (WBO)
2. Lamont Peterson (WBA & IBF)
3. Amir Khan
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Zab Judah
6. Marcos Maidana
7. Lucas Mathysse
8. Humberto Soto
9. Danny Garcia (WBC)
10. Mike Alvarado
11. Erik Morales
12. Ajose Olusegun
13. Kendall Holt
14. Joan Guzman
15. Khabib Allakhverdiev


Lightweight (135lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Miguel Vasquez (IBF)
2. Robert Guerrero
3. Richard Abrill
4. Ricky Burns (WBO)
5. Antonio DeMarco (WBC)
6. Urbano Antillon
7. Sergio Thompson
8. Vincente Escobedo
9. Mercito Gesta
10. Miguel Acosta
11. Kevin Mitchell
12. John Molina
13. Henry Lundy
14. Paulus Moses
15. Gavin Rees

(WBA title vacant)


Super Featherweight (130lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Takashi Uchiyama (WBA)
2. Adrian Broner (WBO)
3. Takahiro Ao (WBC)
4. Juan Carlos Salgado (IBF)
5. Roman Martienz
6. Agenis Mendez
7. Sergey Gulyakevich
8. Vitali Tajbert
9. Jorge Solis
10. Elroy Perez
11. Juan Carlos Burgos
12. Devis Boschiero
13. Diego Magdaleno
14. Luis Cruz
15. Will Tomlinson


Featherweight (125lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Yuriorkis Gamboa
2. Orlando Salido (WBO)
3. Chris John (WBA)
4. Celestino Caballero
5. Jhonny Gonzalez (WBC)
6. Ello Rojas
7. Juan Manuel Lopez
8. Miguel Angel Garcia
9. Daniel Ponce De Leon
10. Billy Dib (IBF)
11. Cristobal Cruz
12. Jonathan Victor Barros
13. Hozumi Hasegawa
14. Daud Yordan
15. Alexander Miskirtchian


Super Bantamweight (122lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Toshiaki Nishioka
2. Nonito Donaire (WBO)
3. Guillermo Rigondeaux (WBA)
4. Abner Mares (WBC)
5. Wilfredo Vasquez Jnr
6. Rico Ramos
7. Akifumi Shimoda
8. Ryol Li Lee
9. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
10. Rendall Munroe
11. Victor Terrazas
12. Jeffrey Mathebula (IBF)
13. Cristian Mijares
14. Giovani Caro
15. Takalani Ndlovu


Bantamweight (118lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Anselmo Moreno (WBA)
2. Jorge Arce (WBO)
3. Joseph Agbeko
4. Shinsuke Yamanaka (WBC)
5. Koki Komeda
6. Vic Darchinyan
7. Yhonny Perez
8. Leo Santa Cruz
9. Hugo Fidel Cazares
10. Malik Bouziane
11. Hugo Ruiz
12. Vusi Malinga
13. Jamie McDonnell
14. AJ Banal
15. Rolly Matsushita

(IBF Title Vacant)


Super Flyweight (115lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Omar Navarez (WBO)
2. Tepparith Kokietgym (WBA)
3. Yata Sato (WBC)
4. Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr (IBF)
5. Tomás Rojas
6. Cesar Seda
7. Raul Martinez
8. Rodrigo Guerrero
9. Tomonobu Shimizu
10. Suriyan Sor Rungvisai
11. Juan Alberto Rosas
12. Drian Francisco
13. Nobou Nashiro
14. Simphiwe Nongqayi
15. Sylvester Lopez


Flyweight (112lbs)
World Champion: Sonny Boy Jaro (WBC)
Silay City, Negros Occidental, Philippines
Beat Pongsaklek Wonjongkam March 2010
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2. Brian Vilora (WBO)
3. Hernan Marquez (WBA)
4. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
5. Moruti Mthalane (IBF)
6. Julio Cesar Miranda
7. Giovanni Segura
8. Edgar Sosa
9. Luis Concepcion
10. Takefumi Sakata
11. Toshiyuki Igarashi
12. Rocky Fuentes
13. Panomroonglek Kaiyarn Hadaogym
14. Milan Melindo
15. Zolani Tete


Light Flyweight (108lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Usiles Solis (IBF)
2. Roman Gonzalez (WBA)
3. Donnie Nietes (WBO)
4. Johnriel Casimero
5. Kompayak Porpramook (WBC)
6. Omar Nino Ramero
7. Carlos Tamara
8. Rodel Mayol
9. Adrian Hernadez
10. Gilberto Keb Baas
11. Ryo Miyazaki
12. Jesus Geles
13. Ramon Garcia Hireles
14. Sonny Boy Jaro
15. Juan Carlos Reveco


Strawweight (105lbs)
World Championship: (Vacant)
1. Nkosinathi Joyi (IBF)
2. Kazuto Ioda (WBC)
3. Moises Fuentes (WBO)
4. Akira Yaegashi (WBA)
4. Raul Garcia
5. Juan Palacios
6. Ivan Calderon
7. Michael Landero
8. Pornsawan Pompamook
9. Denver Cuello
10. Paipharob Kokietgym
11. Florante Condes
12. Kwanthai Sithmorseng (WBA)
13. Ronald Barrera
14. Katsunari Takayama
15. Ganigan Lopez

[kosaros]

You haven't got WBA minimumweight champion Akira Yaegashi in your rankings, whilst the guy he beat in his last fight is #5

[thewinfella]

Guerrero #4 @135 , not for me !!!! , thats too low

Id have Rojas , Caballero and Gonzalez all above Juanma @125

[Bryn]

Originally Posted by thewinfella

Guerrero #4 @135 , not for me !!!!

Id have Rojas , Caballero and Gonzalez all above Juanma @125

Isn't the featherweight limit 126? I notice both you and Rob referred to it as 125?

Not being pedantic, just curious.

[thewinfella]

Originally Posted by Bryn

Isn't the featherweight limit 126? I notice both you and Rob referred to it as 125?

Not being pedantic, just curious.

It is , i stand corrected , 126 is what i meant

[Bryn]

Originally Posted by thewinfella

It is , i stand corrected , 126 is what i meant

That's cool. Just as two of you mentioned it as 125 I thought I'd been wrong all this time.

[Barlivia]

You say your ratings are based on ring performances rather than results? Surely chisora (even though he's lost 3 on the spin) is a top 15 heavyweight? Fair enough he didn't bother his arse against fury but he won that fight against helenius and take away everything else that went on against vitali put up a decent performance

[Bryn]

Originally Posted by Barlivia

You say your ratings are based on ring performances rather than results? Surely chisora (even though he's lost 3 on the spin) is a top 15 heavyweight? Fair enough he didn't bother his arse against fury but he won that fight against helenius and take away everything else that went on against vitali put up a decent performance

Agreed. Wherever Helenius is, Chisora should be above.

[Barlivia]

Originally Posted by Bryn

Agreed. Wherever Helenius is, Chisora should be above.

Exactly. Actually I'd fancy him to outwork near 40 yr old no.4 ranked tony thompson too. Heavyweight is prob the weakest division listed. Take away the 2 klits and what you got left??

[Lilo]

I don't think Chisora should be ahead of Helenius. Dereck's biggest win is a shot Danny Williams or Sam Sexton (who prob won't ever be a Brit champ).

He gets all this credit for his fight with Vitali but he was still dominated and beaten convincingly. Chis' loss v Fury is equal to Helenius' 'loss' to Chis, aside from that Helenius has not only beaten but KO'd many, many fighters better than Sexton.

Their records just don't compare.

[SNV]

I'd put Bryant Jennings in at heavyweight, good prospect that stopped Liakhovich recently. He's definitely better than Stiverne IMO.

[Bryn]

Originally Posted by Lilo

I don't think Chisora should be ahead of Helenius. Dereck's biggest win is a shot Danny Williams or Sam Sexton (who prob won't ever be a Brit champ).

He gets all this credit for his fight with Vitali but he was still dominated and beaten convincingly. Chis' loss v Fury is equal to Helenius' 'loss' to Chis, aside from that Helenius has not only beaten but KO'd many, many fighters better than Sexton.

Their records just don't compare.

I don't see how you can rate Helenius over Chisora, he beat him convincingly, he won a minimum of 8 rounds. That win alone would mean he has to go above Helenius. Atleast in my mind.

[Lilo]

Not for me.

Its that whole A beats B, B beats C yet C beats A scenario.

So by that logic you'd have Tyson Fury above Chisora and Helenius?

You'd have Marquez above Pac but below Chris John (not really but you see what I'm saying)

[Bryn]

Originally Posted by Lilo

Not for me.

Its that whole A beats B, B beats C yet C beats A scenario.

So by that logic you'd have Tyson Fury above Chisora and Helenius?

You'd have Marquez above Pac but below Chris John (not really but you see what I'm saying)

I can see what you're saying, this is the age old argument with rankings.

But yes, I'd have it;

Fury
Chisora
Helenius

[Barlivia]

Originally Posted by Lilo

I don't think Chisora should be ahead of Helenius. Dereck's biggest win is a shot Danny Williams or Sam Sexton (who prob won't ever be a Brit champ).

He gets all this credit for his fight with Vitali but he was still dominated and beaten convincingly. Chis' loss v Fury is equal to Helenius' 'loss' to Chis, aside from that Helenius has not only beaten but KO'd many, many fighters better than Sexton.

Their records just don't compare.

It's just that when he puts the effort in he does well. Sure he got dominated by vitali but he did well in spots and for that he has to get credit. A fit chisora beats fury IMO. Back to the point at hand though, is dereck a top 15 heavyweight?