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Old 04-27-2012, 06:05 PM   #166
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But I have to ask, when has Cleverly ever produced one shot knockdowns like that, at any level in his career?
The more pertinent question should be when was the last time that Cleverley was put on his arse by a man with a 2% KO record?...Or knocked down multiple times by non-punchers like Ajisafe and McKenzie (please don't come back and say that McKenzie is a monster puncher because he really isn't). TB can punch alright but hes fragile with it.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:06 PM   #167
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I had it 6-5-1 Bellew. Very close, very good, no robbery either way. Rematch needed
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:07 PM   #168
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I think if Cleverly and Bellew were to fight again i feel Tony would see the job out this time. As Slip said his shoulders got tired it was his first high level fight and he tired a little and allowed Cleverly to win a few rounds where maybe he shouldn't of.

Close fight, i felt Tony did enough but i think next time he'd take it. I don't see Nathan improving like Tony is.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:07 PM   #169
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Also, there was a poll post Cleverly-Bellew and most ESB posters thought Cleverly won as opposed to Bellew. The majority of them being English as opposed to Welsh, which would suggest the argument of bias based on nationality being well and truly debunked.
Bellew did all the best work in that fight. I really don't see how he doesn't win 6 rounds in that fight at all. It was work-rate vs skills and punch picking and Bellew got enough rounds in the bag clearly early on to ensure he deserved a draw minimum.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:08 PM   #170
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Yeah same I had Bellew winning by 1, close fight so I don't think you can say either is the better boxer.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:08 PM   #171
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Also, there was a poll post Cleverly-Bellew and most ESB posters thought Cleverly won as opposed to Bellew. The majority of them being English as opposed to Welsh, which would suggest the argument of bias based on nationality being well and truly debunked.
Are you sure about that?....I remember it the other way round but my memory is pretty shot.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:09 PM   #172
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What a mis-match. I hope Eddie Hearn is going to use his 20+ dates better than this.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:10 PM   #173
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Why surprised me was how well Bellew boxed against Clev. He was winning the fight on the jab alone early on (I think I had him winning something like 4 of the first 5). As he got tired tho, Clev's work rate won it for him.

The better punches were landed by Bomber tho
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:10 PM   #174
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If bellew does decided to defend the British to win it outright who do people see as the opposition out there

Ajasafe - rematch
Travis Dickinson
Courtney Fry

Slim picks who would you chose if it was a British title defence?
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:11 PM   #175
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If bellew does decided to defend the British to win it outright who do people see as the opposition out there

Ajasafe - rematch
Travis Dickinson
Tony Dodson
Courtney Fry

Slim picks who would you chose if it was a British title defence?
I wouldn't bother.

Gutknecht for the Euro is a progression fight and certainly he didn't look any great shakes in his last few.

Or fight somebody top 10.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:12 PM   #176
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Dickinson is probably the best of that sorry list.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:12 PM   #177
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Are you sure about that?....I remember it the other way round but my memory is pretty shot.

I'm sure. There was a huge amount of votes for the draw, but it was definitely leaning towards Clev rather than Bellew.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:13 PM   #178
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What.. Bellew lost that fight to Cleverly, thats why when the bell rang bellew new he lost that fight.
I like Bellew it was a close fight and he lost, it wasnt that close unless your from liverpool..
Before anyone challanges me on this i would like to say all scousers **** off..
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:13 PM   #179
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I agree there no one out there to defend against
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:13 PM   #180
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You might want to watch Clev-McIntosh again because there was atleast one 'one shot KD' in that fight. Also, incidently, McIntosh laid there with his hands behind his head exactly like in the Bellew fight. Clev also dropped him with a right hand, almost identical KD's.

Bellew's might have happened earlier, but as I said he is a bigger puncher, but Cleverly has proved he is the better boxer by actually beating Bellew. There's no need to compare performances against a shared opposition because they've already butted heads - and guess who came out on top?
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The more pertinent question should be when was the last time that Cleverley was put on his arse by a man with a 2% KO record?...Or knocked down multiple times by non-punchers like Ajisafe and McKenzie (please don't come back and say that McKenzie is a monster puncher because he really isn't). TB can punch alright but hes fragile with it.
I wasn't talking about Cleverly & Bellew shaping up as all round fighters just answering Bryn's point about there being little difference in power between the 2. Which I personally think is wrong.

I had Bellew winning when they fought but I haven't ever called robbery. The fact is everybody had it very close which suggests as I said earlier, they should be considered as equals.
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