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Old 05-01-2012, 05:44 AM   #16
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Default Re: Will Sergio Martinez go up to 168 or a catch weight in between to face Kelly Pavl

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And? Taylor and miranda was weight drain too but I dont see you or any other pavlik make excuses for them cause it aint pavlik.
Didn't Miranda go up in weight against Abraham 3 fights later and lost via K.O in round 4!!? So what does weight prove? And how the heck was Taylor drained for their first fight? He was fighting tons of fights at 160 before the Pavlik fight!

Go look at the records instead of spewing BS!
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:56 PM   #17
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And he'll get one in which he signed a contract to fight the winner of chavez jr vs lee. Anybody with a f4cking brain knows that moving up at 168 pounds or 164 catchweight is too high for martinez in which he's already small at mw. You pavlik fans cant stand your hero lost. This stuff cause he's weight drain (so was taylor first fight and miranda) and he was drinking (according to pavlik he started drinking since the taylor rematch) is a flat out bs excuse. If pavlik was weight drain then why nobody say pavlik look drain in the weigh in? <<Answer this?
answer this... sure.

I am not bitter he lost! Sergio is a talent for sure. The "weight drain" Was because Kelly was in rehab the last 2 weeks of training camp and had to drop 17 lbs the week of the fight!

Meaning he was no where near 100%. yet he won 4 rounds and scored a KD.

What I dont understand is EVERYBODY now thinks Sergio is This ****ing boxing god and is p4p??? He beat the shit out of a 50% Kelly Pavlik, not a Fully prepared one! And it was his right to refuse the rematch at 164 lbs because it wasnt contracted!

Give Pavlik his due.. He is not a shitty Bum fighter. Sergio Just caught him on the one night he could defeat kelly. And if they do it again, Which Kelly has said Ill go down to 162-163. Under Robert Garcia, it will be a Totally Different Outcome is my Honest opinion!
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:58 PM   #18
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answer this... sure.

I am not bitter he lost! Sergio is a talent for sure. The "weight drain" Was because Kelly was in rehab the last 2 weeks of training camp and had to drop 17 lbs the week of the fight!

Meaning he was no where near 100%. yet he won 4 rounds and scored a KD.

What I dont understand is EVERYBODY now thinks Sergio is This ****ing boxing god and is p4p??? He beat the shit out of a 50% Kelly Pavlik, not a Fully prepared one! And it was his right to refuse the rematch at 164 lbs because it wasnt contracted!

Give Pavlik his due.. He is not a shitty Bum fighter. Sergio Just caught him on the one night he could defeat kelly. And if they do it again, Which Kelly has said Ill go down to 162-163. Under Robert Garcia, it will be a Totally Different Outcome is my Honest opinion!
I don't know why anyone should believe anything coming out of the Garcia camp about guys making weights after the nonsense with Rios.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:02 PM   #19
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Martinez started his career at 147, 168 is too much for him in my opinion. If he was to move up to 168 I would rather see him fight others at that division instead of Pavlik.
Martinez has the frame to fight at 168. The problem is that the top fighters at 168 don't reperesent a big enough payday considering how likely they are to beat him.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:03 PM   #20
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I don't know why anyone should believe anything coming out of the Garcia camp about guys making weights after the nonsense with Rios.
I hear ya!
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:05 PM   #21
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Default Re: Will Sergio Martinez go up to 168 or a catch weight in between to face Kelly Pavl

what would be the point? he already beat him decisively
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:10 PM   #22
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Martinez has the frame to fight at 168. The problem is that the top fighters at 168 don't reperesent a big enough payday considering how likely they are to beat him.
Kelly was considered a "Big MW" when he entered the ring at 168 for Pavlik/Taylor 1. Sergio has entered the ring at 170 yet people keep claiming HE is a small MW.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:10 PM   #23
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what would be the point? he already beat him decisively
My point is he beat a Kelly Pavlik who was half the fighter we know him to be!
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:13 PM   #24
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Default Re: Will Sergio Martinez go up to 168 or a catch weight in between to face Kelly Pavl

Regardless of if they fight again at 160, 162, 164, 168 KElly is gonna weighanywhere from 170-175 on fight night.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:14 PM   #25
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My point is he beat a Kelly Pavlik who was half the fighter we know him to be!

then the answer is no. kelly will never have the name he once had hence no reason to fight him.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:31 PM   #26
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then the answer is no. kelly will never have the name he once had hence no reason to fight him.
What is it about Bob Arum and Top Rank PROMOTIONS is it that you seem to fail to comprehend here?
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:33 PM   #27
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What is it about Bob Arum and Top Rank PROMOTIONS is it that you seem to fail to comprehend here?
good point, even better reason they wont fight!

he is not a top rank fighter so greedy bob wont have it lol
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:35 PM   #28
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good point, even better reason they wont fight!

he is not a top rank fighter so greedy bob wont have it lol
Arum has worked with Dibella before. It's TR and GBP that is tough to make happen.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:37 PM   #29
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no need to do so.
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:46 PM   #30
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Sergio is a 154lb fighter fighting at 160...why do you think he should move up to 168...The guy can eat full meals and make 154...
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