Floyd getting owned

[Stiltskin]

Originally Posted by vargasfan1985

To be fair, I don't even know all the dudes he ducked. I didn't follow Mayweather too hard until later. I just know he ducked people at 147 at a time the division was deep.

It's not so much about who he ducked fighting DLH was a smart move and any fighter would of done the same it was a great win as well, but then there was Baldomir and Mitchell and a few others when he could of been fighting a pre-Margarito Cotto or Pacquiao honestly though at this point you can say ducking or what not but it doesn't matter to Floyd or Pac's career neither can really be improved unless they fight eachother which apparently they wont ..so they are what they are thats why I like watching prospects politic's and whore promoters usually haven't gotten to control them yet, and it's fun to seem them devolep or a let down to see them kind of plateu at c-b level.

[BigReg]

you dont want to bring up 5 different weight classes now-a-days since it's such a ****ing joke with the ridiculous amount of weight classes there are not to mention the 38 different god damn sanctioning bodies that can give you a championship belt through fighting no one.

Well then it should be easy for you to name me another fighter that has won titles in 5 weight classes without a loss. Furthermore, he's won a major belt in 5 weight classes, and none of them were vacant. He beat Genaro Hernandez, who was the best fighter in the division at the time, to win the WBC and lineal title. He also beat Corrales who had just been stripped of his IBF belt at 130. He beat Castillo, who was the best fighter in that division, to win the WBC and lineal title at 135. He beat Baldomir, who was the undisputed champ, for the WBC and lineal title at 147. He also beat Mosley, who was ranked p4p #3 at the time, who was the WBA champ at 147 and considered by many to be the lineal champ. He beat Hoya, who was the best fighter in that fighter in that division, for the WBC 154 title. Cotto is now considered the best at 154 and Mayweather is fighting him for his WBA title. So not only has Mayweather won titles in 5 different division, he's beaten quality champions while doing so. Gatti was a paper champat 140, but he was still ranked in the top 3.

Floyd imo is the best fighter of our generation but once he hit welterweight he obviously stopped giving a **** about legacy and being ranked amongst the greats as he himself has said many many times.

It's easy to say that, but he's beaten numberous highly ranked fighters since moving up to 147.

[Hotsauce]

Originally Posted by vargasfan1985

Wrong, he wants 5 more fights. I doubt Canelo is ready in that span.

He will be.

Floyd getting older.

[vargasfan1985]

Originally Posted by Hotsauce

He will be.

Floyd getting older.

We shall see. I DOUBT Canelo's promoters put him in that ring with Floyd. They want to milk that undefeated record to death. I think you are wrong, big time.

[BigReg]

Originally Posted by vargasfan1985

He legitimately wanted no part of Cotto (years ago), Margarito, Williams, Mosley (years ago), and PACQUIAO.

How? Cotto is the one who turned down a fight with him. Furthermore, Mayweather was the WBC champ when Cotto came to 147. If Cotto wanted to fight him, why did he pay a guy step aside money so that he could fight for the vacant WBA title? He specifically put himself in a position where he wouldn't have to fight Mayweathher. The fact of the matter is, Arum had no desire to do business with Mayweather and was angling for a Cotto/Margarito fight. As far as Mosley, he's another one who turned down a fight with Mayweather. We have Mayweather on video calling out Mosley. There was an interview done a couple of years ago where Schaeffer revealed that he offered Mosley a chance to fight Mayweather in 2006 and he turned it down. Go watch the end of Mosley/Vargas II. Mercant tells Shane that Mayweather wants to fight him, and Shane responds by saying he didn't want to fight because he had a toothache. This is all well documented.

On to Margarito. Mayweather actually was ready to sign to fight Margarito. Included in the deal, Mayweather wanted assurances of a fight with Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto as well. Arum said the $20M Mayweather wanted fight Hoya was impossible to do(a few months later Mayweather signed to fight Hoya and ended up making over $20M). Arum also didn't want to guarentee $10M for fights with Hatton and Cotto(Mayweather will end up making way more than $10M against both Hatton and Cotto).

Williams was never really in line to fight Mayweather. As far as Pacquiao, I have to blame both sides. Mayweather has let his ego get the best of him. Pacquiao, he claims he's afraid of needles, and his promoter claimed they needed to build a temporary stadium so that they could do the fight in June(even though they knew Mayweather would be in jail). Even now, Arum says he's not interested in doing the fight in November. Oh yeah, Arum also refused to take any calls from Schaeffer and claims he doesn't know who to talk to from Mayweather's side.

[Hotsauce]

Originally Posted by vargasfan1985

We shall see. I DOUBT Canelo's promoters put him in that ring with Floyd. They want to milk that undefeated record to death. I think you are wrong, big time.

I think they are waiting for floyd to get older

[Stiltskin]

Originally Posted by BigReg

Well then it should be easy for you to name me another fighter that has won titles in 5 weight classes without a loss. Furthermore, he's won a major belt in 5 weight classes, and none of them were vacant. He beat Genaro Hernandez, who was the best fighter in the division at the time, to win the WBC and lineal title. He also beat Corrales who had just been stripped of his IBF belt at 130. He beat Castillo, who was the best fighter in that division, to win the WBC and lineal title at 135. He beat Baldomir, who was the undisputed champ, for the WBC and lineal title at 147. He also beat Mosley, who was ranked p4p #3 at the time, who was the WBA champ at 147 and considered by many to be the lineal champ. He beat Hoya, who was the best fighter in that fighter in that division, for the WBC 154 title. Cotto is now considered the best at 154 and Mayweather is fighting him for his WBA title. So not only has Mayweather won titles in 5 different division, he's beaten quality champions while doing so. Gatti was a paper champat 140, but he was still ranked in the top 3.



It's easy to say that, but he's beaten numberous highly ranked fighters since moving up to 147.

If you need names Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Im sure they all lost 1 or 2 but thats what happens when you willing to fight the best btw that doesn't even include Fitzgerald, Mickey Walker, and many other fighters that showed skills pay the bills People are acting like Pac was the only fighter to ever jump weight classes Jersey Joe would have something to say about that anyhow the more you know and yes RA or whatever he's called is a idiot.

[BigReg]

Originally Posted by Stiltskin

If you need names Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Im sure they all lost 1 or 2 but thats what happens when you willing to fight the best btw that doesn't even include Fitzgerald, Mickey Walker, and many other fighters that showed skills pay the bills People are acting like Pac was the only fighter to ever jump weight classes Jersey Joe would have something to say about that anyhow the more you know and yes RA or whatever he's called is a idiot.

My only point is that it's hard to do. I'm not saying it necessarily makes him the greatest ever, but it's a hell of an accomplishment. Fighting at a high level through numerous weight classes is not easy to do. Not many fighters throughout the history of the sport have been able to do it.

[Caelum]

It's good that we are replaying an old interview debate.

It is interesting how he mentions he doesn't want to do business with Bob Arum and can't fight Cotto because of it. People thought that was just an excuse.
Then, Cotto leaves Arum and the fight is made.

Also, they are looking at the finances they hear what the fighter makes but don't take into account what Floyd could be possibly making running his own show. So he is not just picking up a fighter's check, but all the booty.


The other thing that may have validation is how the business changed. not only do fighters not have to fight often, but the reasoning behind why they don't: they can make more bank per single fight...which means, they can also try to make lesser fights and get away with it while make good bank. While fighters in the past had to fight often to fill their pockets and seek out big fights because that's where the money was. Same reason why a lot of fighters jumped weight-classes. So if guys back in the day fought today...would it be the same?
Maybe. But then of course you have guys like O$car who searched out the biggest name that is hot in order to put on a show for the fans and make serious bank. So I favored what O$car was doing even though he became a part-time fighter at a certain point (but so is Floyd).

In the end, I blame the fans for allowing fighters to get away with it. You pay their bills. So stop watching them if you don't like what they are doing.

[Str8ryte]

It's interesting that people always say Mayweather ducked everybody but brush aside and never bring up the fact that maybe, juuuust maybe people have ducked Mayweather.

[Farmboxer]

Spadafora made a fool out of Void in sparring.......................Castillo and Oscar beat Void in an actual match......................Void could not even knockout out the last girl be beat up...............

[MoJoGoodie]

Originally Posted by Str8ryte

It's interesting that people always say Mayweather ducked everybody but brush aside and never bring up the fact that maybe, juuuust maybe people have ducked Mayweather.

Bingo....

Margo is legitimately the only fighter to pursue Floyd and not get his scrap

[sdsfinest22]

Originally Posted by BigReg

How? Cotto is the one who turned down a fight with him. Furthermore, Mayweather was the WBC champ when Cotto came to 147. If Cotto wanted to fight him, why did he pay a guy step aside money so that he could fight for the vacant WBA title? He specifically put himself in a position where he wouldn't have to fight Mayweathher. The fact of the matter is, Arum had no desire to do business with Mayweather and was angling for a Cotto/Margarito fight. As far as Mosley, he's another one who turned down a fight with Mayweather. We have Mayweather on video calling out Mosley. There was an interview done a couple of years ago where Schaeffer revealed that he offered Mosley a chance to fight Mayweather in 2006 and he turned it down. Go watch the end of Mosley/Vargas II. Mercant tells Shane that Mayweather wants to fight him, and Shane responds by saying he didn't want to fight because he had a toothache. This is all well documented.

On to Margarito. Mayweather actually was ready to sign to fight Margarito. Included in the deal, Mayweather wanted assurances of a fight with Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto as well. Arum said the $20M Mayweather wanted fight Hoya was impossible to do(a few months later Mayweather signed to fight Hoya and ended up making over $20M). Arum also didn't want to guarentee $10M for fights with Hatton and Cotto(Mayweather will end up making way more than $10M against both Hatton and Cotto).

Williams was never really in line to fight Mayweather. As far as Pacquiao, I have to blame both sides. Mayweather has let his ego get the best of him. Pacquiao, he claims he's afraid of needles, and his promoter claimed they needed to build a temporary stadium so that they could do the fight in June(even though they knew Mayweather would be in jail). Even now, Arum says he's not interested in doing the fight in November. Oh yeah, Arum also refused to take any calls from Schaeffer and claims he doesn't know who to talk to from Mayweather's side.

This is a ****in ownage...wow

Owned em

PW was fighting on Floyd's undercards in 2006...he didn't become a name until July, 2007. He lost to Quintana just a 7 months later.

Margarito could have had the fight when Floyd was with TR. WHY THE **** WOULD FLOYD LEAVE TR AFTER THE ZAB FIGHT AND THEN GO BACK TO DOING BUSINESS WITH ARUM? MAKES 0 SENSE. Plus Tony did not keep winning as Floyd told him to do in the video...Tony is a bitch fight.

[kragz]

LOL. What a bitch. Why was this ****ing prima donna not featured on the anti-g list.

[BewareofDawg]

Actually Floyd owned him. Last time I heard that, I liked to hear somebody actually challenge floyd like that. But Floyd put him in his place on the Baldomir/Margo issue and then later on the Shane issue, about him not losing in '99.