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Old 05-02-2012, 04:19 PM   #16
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Head to head who you guys got, Chavez or Mayweather? That's the real question.

Mayweather outboxes Chavez Sr easily about 10-2.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:35 PM   #17
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87-0 is 87-0 no matter how many cab drivers and Subsitute teachers are on that list. If it was easy to fight and win 87 boxing matches with out a loss, more fighters would do it.

I mean that's 87 chances to not see a punch, get a cut, or break a hand.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:42 PM   #18
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I think both streaks have advantages over the other, Mayweather has slightly more elite level fighters on his list, but JCC has many more "good" fighters on his list, as well as being twice as long itself. I think if JCC clearly defeated Sweet Pea (I had Pernell winning it 8-3-1) then he might get the nod at this point, but since I believe that was a loss I really dont know which is more impressive if Floyd retired tomorrow. I guess Floyd has the chance to extend his enough to surpass JCC's but as of now I can't say Floyds is better.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:44 PM   #19
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87-0 is 87-0 no matter how many cab drivers and Subsitute teachers are on that list. If it was easy to fight and win 87 boxing matches with out a loss, more fighters would do it.

I mean that's 87 chances to not see a punch, get a cut, or break a hand.

Great point, thats the main reason I cant go with Floyds streak.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:51 PM   #20
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Alvarez is undefeated too, isn't he, and what about that Latino hw, he's undefeated AND with more ko's than Fiddy's girlfrie
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:59 PM   #21
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Man, the mayweathers sure know boxing. They have the whole world fooled. Look at it this way, activity alone makes fighters diminish. Not only is it a fight, but training camp and sparring in between. The mayweathers know this. I admit, they are genius, but lets not take away from past fighter's accomplishments.

There is no deying that if mayweathers record would be a couple of dozen fighters deeper (no matter the caliber) he would be a different fighter now and not for the good. His body would start to give up and he would have lost a step or two. That happens to all atheletes in any sport
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:00 PM   #22
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Out of curiosity MAG, why do you think Floyd handpicks? Who do you think he avoided and when?
Margarito, Cintron. Martinez,Cotto, Tszyu,Williams. 2006 until now. Cotto is not the fighter he was. He has been in many tough fights and was stopped in them. Floyd avoided anyone who was prime and hungry. He waited until names got old to fight them. It is obvious. He is doing the same with Manny. I believe he wants to fight him but he wants a Manny who has no chance of beating him. He is waiting until he sees Manny look tired and beatable. Leonard did that when Hearns had a tough fight with Kinchen,and that almost backfired on him when Ray fought Tommy in the rematch in 1989 and Tommy had more left them people thought.. The judges scored that fight wrong.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:01 PM   #23
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shut the **** up already. though i think Chavez gets overated by some, but your a troll.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:02 PM   #24
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Head to head who you guys got, Chavez or Mayweather? That's the real question.
tough fight to call.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:13 PM   #25
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Chavez undefeated streak is a bit weird....its none they got rid of one loss, they screwed Whitaker out of a clear win, and when I watched that Masterful Taylor fight I was so sad as a kid, to see a great young fighter get a win he earned taken away with two seconds left.

Honestly his resume was a bit of Quantity over Quality....he had some very good wins but the same thing they hold against Mayweather should be considered when analyzing Chavez' run...he never beat any prime great fighter...in truth neither he nor Floyd did yo be fair...Chavez defeated 14 world champions/ Mayweather beat 16 champions....Mayweather won titles at 5 weights/Chavez had three....in my eyes they are pretty even, but if I had to choose I's go with Mayweather because they started at the same weight and Mayweather showed he could compete at a world class level past 140...he won titles at 147 and 154 and the win over a Large DLH who I think Chavez would have never beat is noteworthy....Mayweather by a hair but I wouldnt go so far and say that his is more legendary...both runs are equally impressive if I had to choose I'd go with Mayweather....He beat more champions, won more titles at different weights, and clearly beat everyone he fought(Castillo 1 was close but he showed class giving the guy a rematch and winning), and did it in almost half as many fights gotta be noteworthy.
If you posted like this no one would be calling you a troll mvc
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:40 PM   #26
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Margarito, Cintron. Martinez,Cotto, Tszyu,Williams. 2006 until now. Cotto is not the fighter he was. He has been in many tough fights and was stopped in them. Floyd avoided anyone who was prime and hungry. He waited until names got old to fight them.
I think Floyd was offered 12m to fight Baldomir for the title, at the same time he was offered 8m to fight Margarito for no title. So that move makes sense, he won and became the lineal WW champion.

I can't say about Cintron, I don't know to be honest.

With Cotto, it's said that Floyd offered to fight him in 2008 and Arum and Cotto's camp refused, saying that Miguel wasn't ready to fight Floyd yet. I think Floyd is fighting a strong version of Cotto, he's more rounded as a fighter than he was in his younger days, he was too reliant on his left hook, which wouldn't have troubled Floyd.

He called out Tszyu quite a few times, I remember him calling out Tszyu before and after Gatti again. Who then went on to fight Hatton, lose and retire.

I agree with you on Paul Williams, he would have been a nightmare for Floyd to face. That was a smart move to avoid Williams, who was a legit threat at 147.

As for Martinez, I think Sergio is just too big for Floyd, this again is a smart move. I think Sergio has a genuine shot at beating Floyd.

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It is obvious. He is doing the same with Manny. I believe he wants to fight him but he wants a Manny who has no chance of beating him. He is waiting until he sees Manny look tired and beatable. Leonard did that when Hearns had a tough fight with Kinchen,and that almost backfired on him when Ray fought Tommy in the rematch in 1989 and Tommy had more left them people thought.. The judges scored that fight wrong.

Whether he's doing the same with Manny is hard to say. Personally, I don't see why Manny couldn't agree to the drug testing in 2009? Mayweather was calling him out again even before the Marquez fight. Perhaps he was hesitant to face Manny.

When do you think Tommy's prime ended?

With Sugar Ray, before his first retirement he did fight some of the best fighters of all time, beating Hagler cemented his legacy, so I think he was to a degree entitled to cherry pick. Tommy certainly beat him in the rematch, with the two knockdowns it's shocking that the judges didn't give him the win he deserved. Tommy still had plenty of fight left in him, beating Virgil Hill 3 years later was an amazing achievement.
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Margarito, Cintron. Martinez,Cotto, Tszyu,Williams. 2006 until now. Cotto is not the fighter he was. He has been in many tough fights and was stopped in them. Floyd avoided anyone who was prime and hungry. He waited until names got old to fight them. It is obvious. He is doing the same with Manny. I believe he wants to fight him but he wants a Manny who has no chance of beating him. He is waiting until he sees Manny look tired and beatable. Leonard did that when Hearns had a tough fight with Kinchen,and that almost backfired on him when Ray fought Tommy in the rematch in 1989 and Tommy had more left them people thought.. The judges scored that fight wrong.
Same could be done with Chavez....Chavez fought Hector Camacho years after they should have, both were always at or the near the same weight Chavez and Camacho always one of his best contemporaries...started 38-0 and at 130 was very exciting and showed great promise even after the Rosario fight, he still was p4p one of the best until the early 90's when they finally fought

Whitaker was always there,Bazooka Limon was shot to hell, etc...their resumes are similar they got the the greats or near greats to late...at least mayweather defeated his best opponents cant say the same for Chavez


not fair to either guy to shit on who they didnt fight, no one in history has fought ever good fighter in their era
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:47 PM   #28
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I think Floyd was offered 12m to fight Baldomir for the title, at the same time he was offered 8m to fight Margarito for no title. So that move makes sense, he won and became the lineal WW champion.

I can't say about Cintron, I don't know to be honest.

With Cotto, it's said that Floyd offered to fight him in 2008 and Arum and Cotto's camp refused, saying that Miguel wasn't ready to fight Floyd yet. I think Floyd is fighting a strong version of Cotto, he's more rounded as a fighter than he was in his younger days, he was too reliant on his left hook, which wouldn't have troubled Floyd.

He called out Tszyu quite a few times, I remember him calling out Tszyu before and after Gatti again. Who then went on to fight Hatton, lose and retire.

I agree with you on Paul Williams, he would have been a nightmare for Floyd to face. That was a smart move to avoid Williams, who was a legit threat at 147.

As for Martinez, I think Sergio is just too big for Floyd, this again is a smart move. I think Sergio has a genuine shot at beating Floyd.




Whether he's doing the same with Manny is hard to say. Personally, I don't see why Manny couldn't agree to the drug testing in 2009? Mayweather was calling him out again even before the Marquez fight. Perhaps he was hesitant to face Manny.

When do you think Tommy's prime ended?

With Sugar Ray, before his first retirement he did fight some of the best fighters of all time, beating Hagler cemented his legacy, so I think he was to a degree entitled to cherry pick. Tommy certainly beat him in the rematch, with the two knockdowns it's shocking that the judges didn't give him the win he deserved. Tommy still had plenty of fight left in him, beating Virgil Hill 3 years later was an amazing achievement.

good post people forget he called out Tszyu after beating Sosa and Ndo, Cotto's camp said he wasnt ready, Mosley had a tooth ache and needed rest, Hatton's on father said he wasnt ready for Floyd...people tend to forget things when it is convenient....I tend to think Hearns prime ended around 1987....he already cemented himself as an all-time great when he and Leonard has the rematch they both were a couple years past it....already had beaten Duran, Benitez, won a lightheavyweight belt....the signs were showing around the Roldan fight
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:49 PM   #29
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chavez didn't fight a recognizable name in his first 40 something fights....much the way his son is doing it now. floyd's first half of his career was an amazing run and he won a championship very early. he was fighter of the year in '98 and again in '08. not an easy thing to do in boxing.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:51 PM   #30
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Head to head who you guys got, Chavez or Mayweather? That's the real question.
mayweather wide ud.
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