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Old 05-03-2012, 03:11 AM   #16
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:41 AM   #18
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:33 AM   #20
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Tackie was before Tszyu. He boxed there as well.

I only post to the contrary when I think someone is wrong.

Hatton showed more variety against Tachie but would I call it boxing in the true sense of the word?

Hatton volume punched in that fight and even with that he did a nice bit of wrestling. I would call it a more cultured version of Hatton but I wouldn't stretch it to the boxer cathegory, Ricky was always an aggressive little man before he got beat. Just my opinion and I'm happy with it in this instance.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:11 AM   #21
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Fair enough but I think he Defo took a different approach in a few fights. I'm not saying he was well-rounded or anything
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:27 PM   #22
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I stumbled across this post on Yahoo answers about Muhammad Ali being a one dimensional fighter. What do you guys think?
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Joey Archer did it with movement and a great jab. He claimed Robinson was only the second time he ever floored anybody. You didn't see him attacking on the front foot like Ali did over the first five against Mac Foster, or slip punches on the way inside. Griffith had the versatility to vary his approach to Joey, but Archer was always the same, stick and move. He was acknowledged to have a good right hand when he chose to unload it, but almost exclusively used it for defensive purposes.

Loughran was pretty consistent in the footage I've seen of him, whether against the 5'7" Walker or 6'2-1/2" Braddock (in Tommy's final two LHW Title defenses, both on film from 1929), two very different opponents with wildly disparate statures.

Nobody questions their skills, but an argument could be made that Joey and Tommy actually were one-dimensional according to some extant footage.

Pastrano might be argued as a candidate, but his two successful defenses of the LHW Title were atypically via stoppages over Downes and Peralta. Downes especially was a critical instance where Willie showed he could step up in a crucial situation when his title was in jeopardy, and unload with power.
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:50 PM   #24
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I don't like 'one dimensional' only meaning come forward fighters.

Canto was one dimensional IMO. But he was brilliant at it.

On a much lower level, Ivan Calderon could only do one thing.

Loughran is a good shout Duo.
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Absolutely not! Watch him force the fight over the first five rounds against Mac Foster, attacking to try making good on a prediction of a fifth round knockout:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1Gqs-syrc[/ame]

For body punching, he did some against Cleveland Williams, Terrell, Bugner, and a few others as a diversionary tactic, but the definitive example of him going downstairs was with Blue Lewis (another instance where Muhammad spent much time on the attack, flatfooted, going underneath on the taller man). Just because he didn't do it much doesn't mean he couldn't change his approach and initiate, and sufficient footage exists as evidence to this.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:11 PM   #26
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Canto was one dimensional IMO. But he was brilliant at it.
Miguel Canto-Jiro Takada is long overdue to make an appearance on youtube. I haven't seen it since Bass and Lederman's syndicated "Cavalcade of Boxing" series back around 1980. (Complete with commercials for Flash Gordon's newsletter, with ***y model seductively telling viewers, "All my men read 'Tonight's Boxing Program,' or they wear nothing at all!") This one was Canto's first world title defense in his native Meridia, and he put on a show, going after Takada for what would prove his final stoppage win, and only one in championship competition. (At one point, he unloaded a six hook combination from long range in mid ring.) Maybe Canto-Takada was the exception that proved the rule, but El Maestro certainly deviated a bit from the formula in that one.
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Loughran is a good shout Duo.
Further comments would be interesting. Tommy's body attack is well documented, and he was reliant on it against the likes of Greb, but I get the impression it was mostly from the outside, like Mustafa Muhammad's. When I was suggesting Loughran was one-dimensional, I was integrating his body attack into that consideration, as an element of his characteristic style rather than a different dimension from it.
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neither arguello nor canto were one-dimensional fighters. they had too much going for them skills-wise. wright is a good answer.
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:56 AM   #28
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Miguel Canto-Jiro Takada is long overdue to make an appearance on youtube. I haven't seen it since Bass and Lederman's syndicated "Cavalcade of Boxing" series back around 1980. (Complete with commercials for Flash Gordon's newsletter, with ***y model seductively telling viewers, "All my men read 'Tonight's Boxing Program,' or they wear nothing at all!") This one was Canto's first world title defense in his native Meridia, and he put on a show, going after Takada for what would prove his final stoppage win, and only one in championship competition. (At one point, he unloaded a six hook combination from long range in mid ring.) Maybe Canto-Takada was the exception that proved the rule, but El Maestro certainly deviated a bit from the formula in that one.Further comments would be interesting. Tommy's body attack is well documented, and he was reliant on it against the likes of Greb, but I get the impression it was mostly from the outside, like Mustafa Muhammad's. When I was suggesting Loughran was one-dimensional, I was integrating his body attack into that consideration, as an element of his characteristic style rather than a different dimension from it.
Agreed with this. I had to refute these as 'different dimensions' before when a poster claimed that 'being able to pivot' and 'throwing body punches' meant Canto was not one dimensional. It all adds to the one dimension being utilised.

Again, cavemen aren't the only one dimensional fighters. Also, I will have a look for the Takada fight, don't think I have it though
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Old 05-04-2012, 01:58 AM   #29
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neither arguello nor canto were one-dimensional fighters. they had too much going for them skills-wise. wright is a good answer.
How many different gameplans could Canto utilise?
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:35 AM   #30
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Does Gene Tunney count on this one - only fought one way and in that also limited him self pretty much only to use of the jab and the straight right hand - but a masterful boxer and one of my all time favourites to watch - his jab was a thing of beauty - with a jab like that I guess you don't really need too much else - rarely have I seen him use hooks or uppercuts or overhand rights on film
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