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Old 01-11-2008, 07:59 AM   #1
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Default Ali was overrated

Before Ali fought Frazier he fought bums, grade 2 fighters or hasbeens, the best at the time but they were just not up to the stand of fighters in, say, Lennox's era. Plus he got beat by Jones IMO and was lucky to get away with a win over Cooper.

Then in the 70s he got owned by Frazier and had a lot of dubious decisions go his way. His lack of power caused him to have to go the distance too many times. His best performance were his third fight with a dininished Frazier and Foreman of course. But I believe recent HW champs would have also beat Foreman quite easily.
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:23 AM   #2
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Before Ali fought Frazier he fought bums, grade 2 fighters or hasbeens, the best at the time but they were just not up to the stand of fighters in, say, Lennox's era. Plus he got beat by Jones IMO and was lucky to get away with a win over Cooper.
I don't know if I'd call men like Liston, Patterson, Williams, Folley, Quarry, Bonaveana or Terrell bums. Some of those guys were past their primes but not totally shot either.

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Then in the 70s he got owned by Frazier
He lost only once in three meetings. This does not constitute an ownage.


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and had a lot of dubious decisions go his way.
I can think of maybe two decisions that were highly in question.


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His lack of power caused him to have to go the distance too many times.
His boxing style had nothing to do with lack of power. Ali's main assets were his speed, stamina, footwork, and jab. Such fighters are not typically big punchers.


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His best performance were his third fight with a dininished Frazier and Foreman of course.
Possibly his best, but certainly not his only.


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But I believe recent HW champs would have also beat Foreman quite easily.

Easily? I doubt it.
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:49 AM   #3
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Ali fought some horrible guys towards the end of his career and put on some really craptacular showings...

But after everything he did do, who can blame him for easy fights for a final few paychecks?

The guys he fought at the end like Blin weren't any worse than some of the fighters Joe Louis fought when he was actually the champion.
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Old 01-11-2008, 09:19 AM   #4
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Ali has received some gift decisions in his career but I wouldn't discredit the opponents that gave him tough fights. Quarry, Bonavena, Doug Jones and George Chuvalo aren't bums. At least Ali gave boxing more than one fight against opponents that took him to the limit. Frazier 3x, Norton 3x, Liston 2x, Chuvalo 2x, Spinks 2x. That's a whole lot more than Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis or Holmes can account for in terms of rematches.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:13 AM   #5
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This thread is not to be taken seriously. For anyone to claim that Ali was owned by Frazier, when he defeated him 2 out of 3 times, and lost once only after returning from a near 4 year layoff, is sadly misinformed.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:14 AM   #6
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Sure he is overrated.

Just not as much as he should be.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:51 AM   #7
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oh wow
no comment.
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Old 01-11-2008, 11:43 AM   #8
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*Yawns*

Topic done to death. Next.
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Old 01-11-2008, 03:16 PM   #9
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Sure he is overrated.

Just not as much as he should be.
I don't get it.
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Old 01-11-2008, 03:35 PM   #10
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I understand, in regards to pound for pound of couse.
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:21 PM   #11
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Before Ali fought Frazier he fought bums, grade 2 fighters or hasbeens, the best at the time but they were just not up to the stand of fighters in, say, Lennox's era. Plus he got beat by Jones IMO and was lucky to get away with a win over Cooper.

Then in the 70s he got owned by Frazier and had a lot of dubious decisions go his way. His lack of power caused him to have to go the distance too many times. His best performance were his third fight with a dininished Frazier and Foreman of course. But I believe recent HW champs would have also beat Foreman quite easily.
I read that as 'lesbians' for some reason.

Maybe he did, I dunno
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:26 PM   #12
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Wow someone with obvious lack of boxing knowledge posted this thread ?
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:54 PM   #13
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Before Ali fought Frazier he fought bums, grade 2 fighters or hasbeens, the best at the time but they were just not up to the stand of fighters in, say, Lennox's era. Plus he got beat by Jones IMO and was lucky to get away with a win over Cooper.

Then in the 70s he got owned by Frazier and had a lot of dubious decisions go his way. His lack of power caused him to have to go the distance too many times. His best performance were his third fight with a dininished Frazier and Foreman of course. But I believe recent HW champs would have also beat Foreman quite easily.
Sugar Ray Robinson was overrated. He got owned by LaMotta and only won the other fights with him because LaMotta was in the mob and forced to throw the fights. He lost to the only good fighter he fought in Joey Maxim. Otherwise he fought a bunch of nobodies and an ancient Armstrong.

Anyone can do a half assed, worthless post like that. Now unless you were just cracking a joke(even still) then you should stop posting for the rest of your life.
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Old 01-11-2008, 08:56 PM   #14
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ali is greater than duran and pep, those two are the overrated ones if you ask me.

Ali beat virtually every important fighter in his division. He has had 1/5 the amount of fights pep has, yet he beat more ranked fighters.

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Old 01-11-2008, 09:32 PM   #15
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Ali alltime #1. Also, how many great fighters did he duck during his career?
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