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Old 01-12-2008, 11:37 PM   #61
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Having my original account deleted and being gone for about two months. Why do you think my join date says December and I only have 800 posts?
I know of some good posters who joined "waaaay" back it 2005 who have less.
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Old 01-12-2008, 11:42 PM   #62
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I know of some good posters who joined "waaaay" back it 2005 who have less.
That's because I'm a post-whore.
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:18 AM   #63
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The concepts of over and under-rated assume a consensus rating which is silly. This thread is moronic.
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:20 AM   #64
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That's because I'm a post-whore.
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:27 AM   #65
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This thread is moronic.
No doubt this thread's title is.

I also agree regarding the consensus thing - ratings are, to a large degree, based upon one's own opinion regarding a fighter. In other words, they generally don't mean anything except to that ONE person that produced the opinion.
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:34 AM   #66
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I guess ***, pizza, chocolate and oxygen are all overrated too.
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:37 AM   #67
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I guess ***, pizza, chocolate and oxygen are all overrated too.
I'd have to say chocolate is, ......unfortunately
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:13 AM   #68
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Ali is one of the boxing greats, but is overrated - as are all heavyweights.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:32 AM   #69
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Ali is one of the boxing greats, but is overrated - as are all heavyweights.
How are all Heavyweights overrated? I consider that a pretty ridiculous statement.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:51 AM   #70
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I think TBooze means in comparison to other weights. Overhyped, etc.
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:14 AM   #71
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I think TBooze means in comparison to other weights. Overhyped, etc.
I personally don't think so, considering Heavyweights are the only true open weight class. The weight differences are much greater, an opponent of a 6'0, 210 guy may be 6'5, 260. It's a different ballgame than the other weight classes.
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:17 AM   #72
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I personally don't think so, considering Heavyweights are the only true open weight class. The weight differences are much greater, an opponent of a 6'0, 210 guy may be 6'5, 260. It's a different ballgame than the other weight classes.
On top of that, if anyone was to name the 100 best fighters ever, at least 12 of them would be heavyweights. Historically its actually one of the 4 best weight classes.
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:34 AM   #73
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I suspect this is the main divergence in our viewpoints.

I am comfortable adding the post exile qualities to the '66-'67 athletic version of Ali. IMO those qualities were there, he just didnt need to use them.
Yes, that's the problem. I think that Frazier and Foreman would both stop pre-exile version of Ali, while at the same time that young version of Clay would outpoint Ken Norton by a wide margin (looking at how when Ali desided to dance around the ring, Norton was totally lost at what to do, getting tagged repeatedly and not being able to land anything in return).
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:38 AM   #74
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I personally don't think so, considering Heavyweights are the only true open weight class. The weight differences are much greater, an opponent of a 6'0, 210 guy may be 6'5, 260. It's a different ballgame than the other weight classes.

Yeah, but on the other hand, the beauty of weight divisions is that it gives small fellas the chance to compete and become champions, wheras in most other sport it's just tough shit if you're Baby Jake Matlala. Also, your average featherweight fight, for example, is far more entertaining than your average heavyweight fight. Even many 'great' heavyweight fights aren't even that good. Check out Ali's 'espn superbouts' for obvious proof.
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Yeah, but on the other hand, the beauty of weight divisions is that it gives small fellas the chance to compete and become champions, wheras in most other sport it's just tough shit if you're Baby Jake Matlala. Also, your average featherweight fight, for example, is far more entertaining than your average heavyweight fight. Even many 'great' heavyweight fights aren't even that good. Check out Ali's 'espn superbouts' for obvious proof.
True. I am not as big a fan of Heavyweight boxing for that reason, but still they, while not being as exciting or as skilled(or at least as quick), they are the only real open weight class. So I have to give them respect.
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