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Old 05-08-2012, 07:59 AM   #16
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C - Wlad
1 - Vitali
2 - Povetkin
3 - Haye
4 - Adamek
5 - Chambers
6 - Pulev
7 - Fury
8 - Thompson
9 - Arreola
10 - Chisora
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:09 AM   #17
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The division is not strong, at all

The number 3 ranked fighter is Thomaz Adamek, the number 4 is Pulev, and number 5 is Hellenius, a man who was clearly beaten by I believe a previously unranked fighter in Derek Chisora

number 6 is Boystov

7 is Chagaev, a man who has hepatitis, he is above Chris Arreola a man who regularly comes in grossly overweight....Fury is 8th. Fury. None of the above fighters demonstrate to me any exceptional skill
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:20 AM   #18
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The division is not strong, at all

The number 3 ranked fighter is Thomaz Adamek, the number 4 is Pulev, and number 5 is Hellenius, a man who was clearly beaten by I believe a previously unranked fighter in Derek Chisora

number 6 is Boystov

7 is Chagaev, a man who has hepatitis, he is above Chris Arreola a man who regularly comes in grossly overweight....Fury is 8th. Fury. None of the above fighters demonstrate to me any exceptional skill
just out of interest when do you think the division was strong?
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:20 AM   #19
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Five words: Owen "WHAT THE HECK" Beck.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:23 AM   #20
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Five words: Owen "WHAT THE HECK" Beck.
i'm not sure what point you're trying to make
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:24 AM   #21
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i'm not sure what point you're trying to make
Owen "WHAT THE HECK" Beck is a beast...

Are you NChristo from B-scene? That ugly little short booger?
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:25 AM   #22
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Feel free to post more than just 10 if you wish. Also you dont just have to base it on who has the bigger wins at the moment but also your own opinion of who is better.
  1. Wlad
  2. Vitali
  3. Haye
  4. Povetkin
  5. Pulev
  6. Chambers
  7. Boytsov
  8. Adamek
  9. Thompson
  10. Fury
  11. Mitchell
  12. Solis
  13. Chagaev
  14. Helenius
  15. Price
  16. Ustinov
  17. Chisora
  18. Dimitrenko
  19. Arreola
  20. Stiverne
  21. Glazkov
  22. Abdusalamov
  23. Jennings
  24. Johnson
  25. Wallisch

Please post your own list, and feel free to comment on mine.
Mine is by no means perfect.
Don't just say i'm wrong and call me a retard, explain why if you disagree.

I found Chisora really hard to rate as his ability is rated more on how well he did in fights he lost rather than his wins.

Also if anyone is missing that may be an oversight rather than because i dont think he deserves to be there.
Solid list. A lot of people rank Adamek and Helenius too high but you haven't fallen into that trap.

You've ranked Haye too high, Boytsov way too high (shouldn't really be 11 places above Arreola when both fighters just have a string of KOs over C level guys).

Chisora should be higher than Adamek as he performed much better against Vitali. Thompson should also be higher, his early KO over Maurice Harris has gained credibility over the last couple of days with Harris schooling Gerber. Kevin Johnson (who is under-rated in general I feel) should be higher as his win over Leapai is more impressive than the wins of a load of other prospects on the list.

Your insertion of Wallisch at #25 is a bit random, he barely ever gets talked about when people are discussing prospects let alone top 25 fighters. I think Franklin Lawrence, Mariusz Wach and Mike Perez would all be better inclusions.

But overall, one of the better lists I've seen
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:25 AM   #23
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just out of interest when do you think the division was strong?
Please state your reasons for thinking this current division is strong, based on the current top 10.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:53 AM   #24
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Solid list. A lot of people rank Adamek and Helenius too high but you haven't fallen into that trap.

You've ranked Haye too high, Boytsov way too high (shouldn't really be 11 places above Arreola when both fighters just have a string of KOs over C level guys).

Chisora should be higher than Adamek as he performed much better against Vitali. Thompson should also be higher, his early KO over Maurice Harris has gained credibility over the last couple of days with Harris schooling Gerber. Kevin Johnson (who is under-rated in general I feel) should be higher as his win over Leapai is more impressive than the wins of a load of other prospects on the list.

Your insertion of Wallisch at #25 is a bit random, he barely ever gets talked about when people are discussing prospects let alone top 25 fighters. I think Franklin Lawrence, Mariusz Wach and Mike Perez would all be better inclusions.

But overall, one of the better lists I've seen
Good post, pleased to see you given reasons for where you disagree.

I think Haye is about right, within 3-5 is right for him. I think only really pulev and Povetkin may be stronger. Remember how good he looked at cruiserweight, and then think about how Huck looked against Povetkin. I think that reinforces how relevant Haye's cruiserweight career is.

Understand your point about Boytsov, he is ranked more based on how good he looks in his fights rather than who he beat, would be interesting to see him against a much taller opponent who really uses their height well.

Although Chisora did look better against Vitali than adamek did, I think that is largely because his punch resistance is stronger and adamek would fare better against many of the other contenders.

You may be right about thompson, I do still have him pretty high though. Johnson I'm not sure about, I havent seen a lot of him.

Ha, I'm surprised its taken this long for someone to mention my inclusion of Wallisch. I watched some of his fights after seeing he has a fight scheduled with richard towers, someone else i also rate quite highly. He's a big guy and looked impressive.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:55 AM   #25
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Please state your reasons for thinking this current division is strong, based on the current top 10.
Because my judgement isn't clouded by ethnicity and nationality
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:03 PM   #26
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HAHAHA you are NChirsto from B-scene! hahahahaha damn you're one ugly ass dude!!

Looking like hills have eyes up in this piece.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:04 PM   #27
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1 Wlad
2 Vitali
3 Povetkin
4 Haye
5 Pulev
6 Thompson
7 Chisora
8 Adamek
9 Arreola
10 Helenius
11 Ustinov
12 Fury
13 Chagaev
14 Boystov
15 Dimitrenko
16 Johnson
17 Mitchell
18 Lawrence
19 Stiverne
20 Gomez
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:24 PM   #28
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C) Wlad
1. Vitali
...
2. Povetkin
3. Helenius
4. Chisora
5. Chagaev
6. Thompson
7. Arreola
8. Haye
9. Adamek
10. Chambers
on the bubble: Solis, Fury, Michell, Pulev, Valuev (if he returns)
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:26 PM   #29
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Because my judgement isn't clouded by ethnicity and nationality
So go ahead...
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:27 PM   #30
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1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Haye
4 - 8 some other Eurobums
9. Chisora
10. David Price
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