Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman

Duffy · 05-09-2012, 09:48 AM

With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_images2/Haye.jpg

http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...-foreman-7.jpg

With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman.

Footwork.

The characteristic footwork employed by most of the world's major boxing has changed little over the centuries, and has remained largely invariable between radically different cultures. The boxer relies on 'push stepping'. In which the leading leg advances first, then the rear, with the feet coming to rest in the exact relative position.

Rear movement is a reversal of this step, and lateral movement involves push stepping in the same fashion, with the foot closest to the desired direction stepping laterally, followed by the opposite foot, which is used to move the body.
For the pugilist, footwork is to be deft and simplistic, allowing the fighter to move in and out of striking range as quickly as possible. Footwork is key to generating sufficient power in the basic strikes shared between the major styles. During the jab, the lead foot can move forward to close distance or remain stationary. During the cross, the rear foot pivots inward to launch the rear shoulder forward, allowing the cross a good deal of its strength. During the left hook, the lead foot pivots in an inward manner to transfer bodyweight. The right hook's pivot is identical to the cross (assuming the boxer is orthodox). The lead uppercut, like the jab does not use any pivotal motion, the power comes from the transfer of bodyweight to the lead foot. The rear uppercut employs the same inward pivot as the cross. To maintain balance, both feet can step, pivot or slide as appropriate. The jab may be thrown while moving forward or backward; for the other punches it is advisable not to throw while in motion.

Head movement.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_nAcQKR5I"]You Tube[/ame]

All in all I think Haye will be able to push ali to the limits but in the end lose this one on points.

Legend X · 05-09-2012, 09:57 AM

A 1974 Ali would embarrass him. If Haye had the title, Ali would show no mercy. He'd thrash him. Probably KO or TKO around 7th round.

For fuck's sake, in 1974 Joe Bugner would probably easily outbox Haye.
Haye would be lucky to crack the top 10.

SkillspayBills · 05-09-2012, 09:58 AM

Haye would be blowing out of his arse like George did that's for sure.

joegrundy · 05-09-2012, 10:01 AM

With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman

05-09-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffy

With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman

Robney · 05-09-2012, 10:01 AM

He will run and lose the widest decision possible, collect his check and blame some injury/bad trainingcamp or whatever for his embarrasing loss.

cheekyvid · 05-09-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffy

With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history.

With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman.

He hasn't got the same power and he has a worse chin.

Ireland · 05-09-2012, 10:26 AM

Ali would most likely win a UD or a late TKO, it depends if Haye throws alot or not, fighters taller than him he tends to throw little, but fighters smaller or the same height he throws a far greater amount.

Out of 10 fights Ali wins 8 to 2.

05-09-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ireland

Ali would most likely win a UD or a late TKO, it depends if Haye throws alot or not, fighters taller than him he tends to throw little, but fighters smaller or the same height he throws a far greater amount.

Out of 10 fights Ali wins 8 to 2.

Scottrf · 05-09-2012, 10:29 AM

With a best Heavyweight win of an old John Ruiz I can definitely see why you see his attributes as similar to Foreman.

DanielJFiasco · 05-09-2012, 10:31 AM

I want some of what this thread has been smoking...

Duffy · 05-09-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cheekyvid

He hasn't got the same power and he has a worse chin.

Klitschko and Valuev are two of the biggest ever punchers in the sport and they didn't even manage to wobble the Hayemaker. Enzo was also a tasty puncher at CW when Hayemaker finished him. Haye's only been down a couple of times and they were due to stamina issues.

05-09-2012, 10:36 AM

Take this to the general mate, it's funnier there.

R.I.P Sky · 05-09-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffy

Klitschko and Valuev are two of the biggest ever punchers in the sport and they didn't even manage to wobble the Hayemaker. Enzo was also a tasty puncher at CW when Hayemaker finished him. Haye's only been down a couple of times and they were due to stamina issues.

Run Conn, RUN · 05-09-2012, 10:39 AM

Haye KO 1 Ali.

Let the haters hate.

05-09-2012, 09:48 AM	#1
Duffy Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 447 vCash: 217	Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history. http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_images2/Haye.jpg http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...-foreman-7.jpg With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman. Footwork. The characteristic footwork employed by most of the world's major boxing has changed little over the centuries, and has remained largely invariable between radically different cultures. The boxer relies on 'push stepping'. In which the leading leg advances first, then the rear, with the feet coming to rest in the exact relative position. Rear movement is a reversal of this step, and lateral movement involves push stepping in the same fashion, with the foot closest to the desired direction stepping laterally, followed by the opposite foot, which is used to move the body. For the pugilist, footwork is to be deft and simplistic, allowing the fighter to move in and out of striking range as quickly as possible. Footwork is key to generating sufficient power in the basic strikes shared between the major styles. During the jab, the lead foot can move forward to close distance or remain stationary. During the cross, the rear foot pivots inward to launch the rear shoulder forward, allowing the cross a good deal of its strength. During the left hook, the lead foot pivots in an inward manner to transfer bodyweight. The right hook's pivot is identical to the cross (assuming the boxer is orthodox). The lead uppercut, like the jab does not use any pivotal motion, the power comes from the transfer of bodyweight to the lead foot. The rear uppercut employs the same inward pivot as the cross. To maintain balance, both feet can step, pivot or slide as appropriate. The jab may be thrown while moving forward or backward; for the other punches it is advisable not to throw while in motion. Head movement. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_nAcQKR5I"]You Tube[/ame] All in all I think Haye will be able to push ali to the limits but in the end lose this one on points.
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05-09-2012, 09:57 AM	#2
Legend X Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,105 vCash: 1000	Re: Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman A 1974 Ali would embarrass him. If Haye had the title, Ali would show no mercy. He'd thrash him. Probably KO or TKO around 7th round. For fuck's sake, in 1974 Joe Bugner would probably easily outbox Haye. Haye would be lucky to crack the top 10.
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Ireland Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 973 vCash: 500	Re: Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman Ali would most likely win a UD or a late TKO, it depends if Haye throws alot or not, fighters taller than him he tends to throw little, but fighters smaller or the same height he throws a far greater amount. Out of 10 fights Ali wins 8 to 2.
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DanielJFiasco Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 445 vCash: 565	Re: Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman I want some of what this thread has been smoking...
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Run Conn, RUN Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 750 vCash: 75	Re: Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman Haye KO 1 Ali. Let the haters hate.
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