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Old 05-09-2012, 11:42 AM   #16
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is there another david haye that was a boxer that i don't know about ?
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:53 AM   #17
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I can't wait til 20 years time when Cassius Haye is world champion and top of the p4p list next to Cashflow Mayweather and a 68 year old Bernard Hopkins.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:55 AM   #18
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RING MAGAZINE heavyweight ratings, end of 1974 :

Champion : Muhammad Ali
  1. George Foreman
  2. Joe Frazier
  3. Ron Lyle
  4. Oscar Bonavena
  5. Joe Bugner
  6. Ken Norton
  7. Jerry Quarry
  8. Chuck Wepner
  9. Henry Clark
  10. Larry Middleton
I think Haye would beat Wepner up, and he'd beat Henry Clark.
Middleton would be 50-50.

The top 7 contenders would all beat him up.
Ali would thrash him.
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:00 PM   #19
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RING MAGAZINE heavyweight ratings, end of 1974 :

Champion : Muhammad Ali
  1. George Foreman
  2. Joe Frazier
  3. Ron Lyle
  4. Oscar Bonavena
  5. Joe Bugner
  6. Ken Norton
  7. Jerry Quarry
  8. Chuck Wepner
  9. Henry Clark
  10. Larry Middleton
I think Haye would beat Wepner up, and he'd beat Henry Clark.
Middleton would be 50-50.

The top 7 contenders would all beat him up.
Ali would thrash him.


No chance.

The only real threaths there are Foreman and Ali for the Hayemaker. Little Frazier would be sqaushed. People seem to have totally forgotten just how easily Haye deals with non super heavyweights. If Valuev can't catch Haye all night even the plodding Foreman is going to struggle with the movement of Haye. "Haye moves like a middleweight".
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:04 PM   #20
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:09 PM   #21
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With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history.


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With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman.

Footwork.

The characteristic footwork employed by most of the world's major boxing has changed little over the centuries, and has remained largely invariable between radically different cultures. The boxer relies on 'push stepping'. In which the leading leg advances first, then the rear, with the feet coming to rest in the exact relative position.

Rear movement is a reversal of this step, and lateral movement involves push stepping in the same fashion, with the foot closest to the desired direction stepping laterally, followed by the opposite foot, which is used to move the body.
For the pugilist, footwork is to be deft and simplistic, allowing the fighter to move in and out of striking range as quickly as possible. Footwork is key to generating sufficient power in the basic strikes shared between the major styles. During the jab, the lead foot can move forward to close distance or remain stationary. During the cross, the rear foot pivots inward to launch the rear shoulder forward, allowing the cross a good deal of its strength. During the left hook, the lead foot pivots in an inward manner to transfer bodyweight. The right hook's pivot is identical to the cross (assuming the boxer is orthodox). The lead uppercut, like the jab does not use any pivotal motion, the power comes from the transfer of bodyweight to the lead foot. The rear uppercut employs the same inward pivot as the cross. To maintain balance, both feet can step, pivot or slide as appropriate. The jab may be thrown while moving forward or backward; for the other punches it is advisable not to throw while in motion.

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All in all I think Haye will be able to push ali to the limits but in the end lose this one on points.
Spastic! Haye and Foreman are not even comparable.
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Spastic! Haye and Foreman are not even comparable.
Haye isn't so much better.
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No chance.

The only real threaths there are Foreman and Ali for the Hayemaker. Little Frazier would be sqaushed. People seem to have totally forgotten just how easily Haye deals with non super heavyweights. If Valuev can't catch Haye all night even the plodding Foreman is going to struggle with the movement of Haye. "Haye moves like a middleweight".
I suggest you leave the forum, you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.
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I suggest you leave the forum, you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.
Go on Flea!
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Haye isn't so much better.
Haye wouldn't make top 10 in the era posted above. Not even in Foreman's comeback.
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Haye wouldn't make top 10 in the era posted above. Not even in Foreman's comeback.
No, his name would be next to champion.

Too quick, too powerful and with modern conditioning.
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The only real threaths there are Foreman and Ali for the Hayemaker. Little Frazier would be sqaushed.


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Go on Flea!
First time I come on here today and one of these trolls is on
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I suggest you leave the forum, you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.
Typical of the British mentality. Can never get behind our very own genuine superstars. I see it all the time with Lewis, Hatton, Khan, Cleverly, the football team an so on... We're afraid of winning, we think we don't deserve success.
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No, his name would be next to champion.

Too quick, too powerful and with modern conditioning.
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