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Old 07-06-2007, 02:01 PM   #46
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There will one day be a Heavyweight Champion of the World once more

World championship Fights will be up to 15 rounds again

Boxing can redeem itself, from the massive hole it is in.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:05 PM   #47
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John David Jackson was not a small guy. He dropped to 154 in his career, but was normally a middleweight.

Glenn Johnson, Antwun Echols, William Joppy, Howard Eastman are not small guys.

That is if you are just talking middleweight. Arguably, and literally, his biggest win came at light heavyweight.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:39 PM   #48
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Why? Hop DID lose to the 2 best middles he fought. His best wins were against smaller guys. Whats the problem with those 2 statements?

You might ask what has Hagler got to do with Hopkins' achivements. But I'm going to make a comparison. Although Leonard holds superiority over Taylor when taking into account ring smarts and skill, he was much smaller physically. I would even say Wright is naturally bigger than Leonard. Hagler's best wins were all against fighters moving up in weight, and Leonard defeated him lets not forget. Duran is without question the smallest guy Hopkins and Hagler ever fought throughout their careers. He stood at 5'7" with a 67" reach. And Hearns' challenge to Hagler is comparable to Trinidad going up against Hopkins.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:44 PM   #49
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* the LW with the best chance of beating Duran was ... Shane Mosely.

* Frazier would have beaten Ali in 1966 or 1967/Frazier may well have beaten Ali in II and III if Mercante was the ref.

* I favor 1959 Sonny Liston over the most HW champions... therefore he is the most formidable HW, head-to-head.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:59 PM   #50
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Don King protected Michael Dokes througout his career.

Edwin Rosario would've beaten Salvador Sanchez

Howard Davis Jr., despite his liabilities, would have won 140 belt had he tried hard enough.
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:34 PM   #51
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Why? Hop DID lose to the 2 best middles he fought. His best wins were against smaller guys. Whats the problem with those 2 statements?
I don't rank the De La Hoya win all that high for Hopkins. I rank the Tarver win better than that, as well as probably some others.

At least Tito had just destroyed the 2nd best middleweight in the world before Hopkins schooled him. Oscar had gotten a gift against a guy in the middle of the top 10. I would pick the Tito of 2001 to beat Jermaine Taylor.
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:36 PM   #52
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I believe Oscar was the true villain of the Mayorga fight. He picked someone with the intent of looking like the good guy, while fighting someone he knew was inferior technique wise.

I don't think George Foremam was ever really a bad guy, and he is now super nice. He was never mean, he just smiles more now.
Both Oscar and George do the smiling for the cameras part very well.

I don't think Foreman was as bad as he was often viewed in the 70s, but he's also not as nice and good as he has portrayed himself to be in his 2nd career.

Actually, I think Foreman is just one strange, bizarre individual.
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:56 PM   #53
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  • I think both Ali-Spinks fights were fixed.
  • I think if Jones and Hopkins met on their best night, Jones would have won on a shut out.
  • Robinson is a bit overrated at middleweight. His 160 reign is not that dissimilar to, say, Holyfield's heavyweight era.
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:20 PM   #54
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  • I think both Ali-Spinks fights were fixed.
thats quite an interesting one why do you think this?

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Old 07-06-2007, 04:39 PM   #55
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.....................but he could not KO Golota in 2 WHOLE FIGHTS haha
Bowe was way past it by then. The whole world saw what a prime and motivated Bowe did to Holyfield. Demolished him. No contest.

Bowe would make Marciano his girlfriend, Dempsey his wife, and Langford his mistress on the same night.
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:39 PM   #56
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thats quite an interesting one why do you think this?

Around this time Ali either thought (or knew) he probably couldn't beat Norton or even Young. The 'one more fight then I'll finally face my mandatory' (which he hadn't done since 1975). It was set up against a no hoper like Spinks- an embarrassing performance resulted in a rematch that was breaking box office records and injected life into the Ali machine, which was growing stale. The 3-time thing was probably worth losing a fight for.


I know many will disagree but the funny thing is, as hardcore boxing fans go, I probably think there's been more fixes than most others would. The "hey wouldn't it be great if So and So won because he's such a box office attraction and the game will die if he lost....Oops he's won!!!" This just happens a bit too often sometimes. By the way, that sentence isn't aimed at Ali, who was fantastic, but those two fights always make me wonder.


ps. I could be wrong on every suspicion...I always thought Leonard-Hagler was fixed until I realised how bitter Marvin was. I remember a poster on here, it could have been Stonehands or Janitor, saying in that fight he thought "Hagler looked like the fall guy in a fix". That's exactly what I thought when I first watched it. It seems I was wrong on that one...maybe.
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Bowe was way past it by then. The whole world saw what a prime and motivated Bowe did to Holyfield. Demolished him. No contest.

Bowe would make Marciano his girlfriend, Dempsey his wife, and Langford his mistress on the same night.

Wow, Bowe lasted just one fight in his prime. He must have been amazing.
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:45 PM   #58
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Buster Douglas was potentially a top 10 heavyweight of all time.
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Old 07-06-2007, 04:47 PM   #59
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Wow, Bowe lasted just one fight in his prime. He must have been amazing.
He was. He would've cleaned out any other division in history other than the 70's. If Sonny Liston thought that he could bully around fighters and intimidate them, let's see him try it on Big Daddy.

Bowe would make Liston crumble.
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Old 07-06-2007, 05:10 PM   #60
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I had Morales winning 2 of 3 against Barerra

Boxing, today, is not in as bad of shape as many make it out to be

Ali would have always beaten Foreman
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