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Old 05-13-2012, 08:02 PM   #1
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Default Why didn't Arum do a 50/50 split for DLH-Mosley 3 or the Tito rematch?

DLH was the biggest draw at the time, although Mosley and Tito were also big names in the sport.

Mosley and Tito both demanded either the lion's share or a 50/50 split of the purse. But Arum said hell no, and did not offer a "winner get's the bigger split" option either.

Why did Bob opt not to do a 50/50 split?
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:16 PM   #2
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Arum got all scared when he was confronted with having to answer questions in the Lampley interview. Arum knows Manny can't make this kind of money anywhere else.

Arum is scared to make the fight...he knows Manny will be exposed on fight night.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:20 PM   #3
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Arum got all scared when he was confronted with having to answer questions in the Lampley interview. Arum knows Manny can't make this kind of money anywhere else.

Arum is scared to make the fight...he knows Manny will be exposed on fight night.
That word... "exposed".

How exactly will he be exposed? He's an underdog and expected to lose. How will him losing in any way shape or form expose him?

He's a great fighter even if Floyd were to dominate him, he's an all time great.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:34 PM   #4
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DLH was the biggest draw at the time, although Mosley and Tito were also big names in the sport.

Mosley and Tito both demanded either the lion's share or a 50/50 split of the purse. But Arum said hell no, and did not offer a "winner get's the bigger split" option either.

Why did Bob opt not to do a 50/50 split?
No one could come close to matching DLH in terms of PPV buys....Tito....Shane....no even in the same ball park... With Pac and Floyd...we have two boxing Titans who are fairly even at the PPV box office ......overall.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:36 PM   #5
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No one could come close to matching DLH in terms of PPV buys....Tito....Shane....no even in the same ball park... With Pac and Floyd...we have two boxing Titans who are fairly even at the PPV box office ......overall.
The numbers indicate one does make more than the other though, and with Pac's PPV numbers, there are disputes as to whether the recent reported numbers for those fights are even remotely true.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:42 PM   #6
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Arum got all scared when he was confronted with having to answer questions in the Lampley interview. Arum knows Manny can't make this kind of money anywhere else.

Arum is scared to make the fight...he knows Manny will be exposed on fight night.
Bob didn't look scared to me.. I think he found it amusing that its always the same "mantra" with Floyd....meaning he's always the one causing the obstacles which prevent the fight from happening. Manny is a very, very rich man thanks to how amazing career that has in large been handled by Bob....and that's just in boxing....Pac has a bunch of avenues that drop money in his bank accounts.... Of course the Floyd fight makes Pac the most money he can in the sport.....but the same can be said about Pac being the only person in the sport that can make Floyd the most money he's ever made....or will ever make.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:44 PM   #7
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Arum offered the best deal which says that both Manny and Floyd would get 45% each and the winner would receive the extra 10%. Mayweather didn't agree to this perfect deal because he is plain and simple scared as shit to fight Manny. No excuses on this one Floyd. Now what excuse would you like to offer. Damn big mouth coward. That deal is as fair as it gets and if you think you're going to win and get the additional 10%, then sign you punk!
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The numbers indicate one does make more than the other though, and with Pac's PPV numbers, there are disputes as to whether the recent reported numbers for those fights are even remotely true.
The only "disputes" of Pacs PPV numbers come from Floyd fans. the numbers favor Pac from a business stand point... Pac has sold many millions more than Floyd in the PPV realm. Floyd may have a better average but the bottom-line in any business is all that matters.....the average is only important if you are sitting in 2nd and your average is better than the reigning King.
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Arum offered the best deal which says that both Manny and Floyd would get 45% each and the winner would receive the extra 10%. Mayweather didn't agree to this perfect deal because he is plain and simple scared as shit to fight Manny. No excuses on this one Floyd. Now what excuse would you like to offer. Damn big mouth coward. That deal is as fair as it gets and if you think you're going to win and get the additional 10%, then sign you punk!
Yeah, because we all know Arum has no influence over judges and that Pac has never gotten a gift decision.

I find it funny that Mayweather, who is the biggest draw and this cannot be challenged, has to be the one to concede his split to make Manny happy.

Of course If Arum actually sat down with Floyd's team and negotiated in good faith, I'm sure they could come to a reasonable agreement. But he won't do that.
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The only "disputes" of Pacs PPV numbers come from Floyd fans. the numbers favor Pac from a business stand point... Pac has sold many millions more than Floyd in the PPV realm. Floyd may have a better average but the bottom-line in any business is all that matters.....the average is only important if you are sitting in 2nd and your average is better than the reigning King.
Show me the official PPV buy rates from Pac's last 2 fights.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:50 PM   #11
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Show me the official PPV buy rates from Pac's last 2 fights.
Show me Floyds...
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:52 PM   #12
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Former HBO Sports President Seth Abraham concurs, saying, "I think, if Lou (DiBella) and I were still at HBO, we'd be in the same pickle as far as the exodus of fights to pay-per-view is concerned." [8]

Select HBO PPV boxing buyrates between 1991 and 2011 include:

Date Fight Result Buyrate 4/19/1991 Evander Holyfield vs. George Foreman Holyfield wins by UD (116-111, 117–110, 115–112) 1,400,00 0 [9]

6/28/1991 Mike Tyson vs. Donovan Ruddock 2 Tyson wins by UD (113-109, 114–108, 114–10 1,250,00 0 [10]

8/19/1995 Mike Tyson vs. Peter McNeeley Tyson wins by DQ in the 1st round 1,550,00 0 [9]

3/16/1996 Mike Tyson vs. Frank Bruno 2 Tyson wins by TKO in the 3rd round 1,370,00 0 [9]

11/9/1996 Mike Tyson vs. Evander Holyfield 1 Holyfield wins by TKO in the 11th round 1,590,00 0 [9] 4/12/1997 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Pernell Whitaker De La Hoya wins by UD (115-111, 116–110, 116–110) 720,000 [1

6/28/1997 Mike Tyson vs. Evander Holyfield 2 Holyfield wins by DQ in the 3rd round 1,990,00 0 [9]

3/13/1999 Evander Holyfield vs. Lennox Lewis 1 Draw 1,200,00 0 [10]

9/18/1999 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Fιlix Trinidad Trinidad wins by MD (115-113, 115–114, 114–114) 1,400,00 0 [9] 11/13/1999 Evander Holyfield vs. Lennox Lewis 2 Lewis wins by UD (116-112, 117–111, 115–113) 850,000

6/8/2002 Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson Lewis wins by KO in the 8th round 1,970,00 0 [9] 9/14/2002 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Fernando Vargas De La Hoya wins by TKO in the 11th round 935,000 [1

9/13/2003 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Shane Mosley 2 Mosley wins by UD (113–115, 113–115, 113–115) 950,000 [1

9/18/2004 Bernard Hopkins vs. Oscar De La Hoya Hopkins wins by KO in the 9th round 1,000,00 0 [11] 5/6/2006 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Ricardo Mayorga De La Hoya wins by TKO in the 6th round 925,000 [1

5/5/2007 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather Mayweather wins by SD (116-112, 115–113, 113–115) 2,400,00 0 [9] 12/8/2007 Floyd Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton Mayweather wins by TKO in the 10th round 920,000 [1

12/6/2008 Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao Pacquiao wins by RTD in the 8th round 1,250,00 0 [9] 5/2/2009 Ricky Hatton vs. Manny Pacquiao Pacquiao wins by KO in the 2nd round 850,000

9/19/2009 Floyd Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Mαrquez Mayweather wins by UD (120-107, 119–108, 118–109) 1,050,00 0 [14]

11/14/2009 Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto Pacquiao wins by TKO in the 12th round 1,250,00 0 [14] 03/13/2010 Manny Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey Pacquiao wins by UD (119-109, 119–109, 120–10 700,000 [1

5/1/2010 Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley Mayweather wins by UD (119-109, 118–110, 119–109) 1,400,00 0 [9]

11/13/2010 Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito Pacquiao wins by UD (120-108, 118–110, 119–109) 1,150,00 0 [16]

5/7/2011 Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley Pacquiao wins by UD (119-108, 120–108, 120–107) 1,340,00 0 [9]

09/17/2011 Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz Mayweather wins by KO in the 4th round 1,250,00 0 [17]

11/13/2011 Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez Pacquiao wins by MD (115-113, 114–114, 116–112) 1,450,00 0 [18]

05/05/2012 Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto Mayweather wins by UD (117-111, 117–111, 118–110) 1,500,00 0 [19]
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:54 PM   #13
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DLH was the biggest draw at the time, although Mosley and Tito were also big names in the sport.

Mosley and Tito both demanded either the lion's share or a 50/50 split of the purse. But Arum said hell no, and did not offer a "winner get's the bigger split" option either.

Why did Bob opt not to do a 50/50 split?
Shane was never a big name in the sport. Where do you get the idea that Shane, whom has NEVER sold a PPV by himself should get parity w/ DLH? At the peak of Shane's popularity, he'd struggle to sell 200K buys against a top contender. And Tito, while an attraction himself, wasn't a draw on DLH's level. For a good part of Tito's career, he helped fill out PPV's as lead in to the main event. he was known for his action fights, but wasn't carrying his own PPV's for the most part.

You're asking this for one of two reason:
1. To make some point about Arum/Pac w/o trying to actually say it, or
2. You really DO NOT KNOW, and therefore are exposing the little you get the sport. You're a Floyd fan, not a boxing fan.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:57 PM   #14
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It really doesn't matter anymore, The Stage is set. Now I say that nobody can say it won't happen, not Teddy Atlas, not Bob Arum, not Floyd, Big L, Roger or Pacquiao himself. It may seem childish but do you remember "Troy" when Hector (Eric Bana) killed Achilles for accident thinking he had Achillesin the movie? Achilles came in his chariot and shouted for the Prince of Troy "Hector, Hector, Hector" he said and the Prince of Troy said goodbye to his dad, King of Troy Prim ( Peter O'Toole) , to his wife and new born son and to his brother Paris ( Orlando Bloom) who started the whole problem with Helen ( Diane Kruger), wife of Agamemnon ( Brian Cox), There is one thing since this story/myth of the Old Greeks and Civilization tells us, HONOUR, Floyd called Pacquiao at last and Roach called Floyd in Pacquaio's name, Floyd called Hoya and he went for the fight, Hatton called Floyd and he went for it, JMM called Floyd and he did, Shane called Floyd in the end of this fight and Floyd made it at last, no matter if it is 50/50 split or 60/40. It gat to happen.



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Old 05-13-2012, 08:59 PM   #15
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That word... "exposed".

How exactly will he be exposed? He's an underdog and expected to lose. How will him losing in any way shape or form expose him?

He's a great fighter even if Floyd were to dominate him, he's an all time great.
Because Pac is "expected" to perform very well against Floyd to the "casual fan."

In reality, he will not perform well and the casual fan will be upset at that...The casual fan does not realize what a mismatch Mayweather Pacquiao really is.
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