How do people have the nerve to say Harry Greb would be competitive in any era? - Page 2

Flea Man · 05-15-2012, 09:59 AM

Maske, that fighter from a hundred years ago?

I stopped hatin' on the old timers once it clicked with me that if Carl Froch could be a success in today's era, a lot of those guys could as on film they are clearly faster and more 'skilled'.

Hookie · 05-15-2012, 10:00 AM

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Today's journeymen would pulverise him.

This is a prime example of old time boxing fans having a brain full of nostalgia.

To be honest... we just don't know. What we do know is that he is the only man that ever got a win vs. Tunney. He also beat Maxie Rosenbloom, Mickey Walker, Tiger Flowers, Tommy Loughran, and a bunch of other good fighters. He lost some but was never dominated.

He probably could have done well in any era actually. Do people talk about him too much? Probably

fists of fury · 05-15-2012, 10:13 AM

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Today's journeymen would pulverise him.

This is a prime example of old time boxing fans having a brain full of nostalgia.

Ok.

PowerPuncher · 05-15-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

who's this?

as for the thread, as has been said, if you're using this video as the sole indication of grebs skills he doesnt look like much. however we have his INCREDIBLE record and the INCREDIBLE records of the hundreds he conquered. even if we don't have footage of him, we have footage (as flea said i think) of tunney (who he dominated) and walker (who he dominated).

In the end I think his skill set is one of the few universally translated repetoires in history and like benny leonard, duran and probably langford, would see him at the very top of the boxing world no matter when and against whom he fought

Soldier Bartfield

Chaney · 05-15-2012, 10:17 AM

Because of his awesome record. Greb beat more greats, HoFers/Champions/Champions-to-be than just about anybody else in all of boxing history. He beat top men much larger than himself. (We can clearly see how great some of his victims, like Tunney were on film). He ducked no one, black or white, fought 'em all, and towards the end of his career with only one eye. He fought over 300 times, racking up more fights in one year (45, I think) than some modern fighters have in their entire protected careers. Greb was phenomenal. We will never see his like again.

As for the the strange 'training footage' against the 55 year old gym owner, Jack O'Brien, here's some thoughts I've previously posted on the Classic forum:

People today live with cameras all around them and photos and film bombarding their senses every day.

But back then it was a real novelty to have a camera pointed at you, and people didn't know how to act naturally.

For example, in a Channel 4 documentary about the history of pornography it was noted that the earliest nude models no idea how to act sexily for the camera. They tended to freeze up, or act unnatural. Of course, nowadays, even children (see the ridiculous American child beauty pageants) know how to put on an act, pouting and preening for the camera.

Look at early movies. There was no 'naturalistic' acting to start off with. So people did what they thought was expected of them...which was usually act in a very, overblown, theatrical way...because theater was the medium people knew. They hadn't grasped the potential of film yet. (I can remember watching Karloff's 'The Mummy' 1932, where everyone seems to make a speech and dramatically exit stage left.)

Harry Greb had little understanding of film, and was acting as he was instructed for the camera. Making a recording of a fighter was probably a novelty to the camera man, too! Maybe they thought the film would come out more clearly if Greb acted in a more deliberate, artificial way.

PowerPuncher · 05-15-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

Maske, that fighter from a hundred years ago?

I stopped hatin' on the old timers once it clicked with me that if Carl Froch could be a success in today's era, a lot of those guys could as on film they are clearly faster and more 'skilled'.

But how would Froch do in the 90s or 80s for that matter? Froch is pretty much a gatekeeper today with a few decent wins.

McGrain · 05-15-2012, 10:19 AM

Froch is ranked #2 by Ring, he's a bit more than a gatekeeper I think. If he beats Bute, he'll be #1 if he loses, three or four?

Flea Man · 05-15-2012, 10:33 AM

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But how would Froch do in the 90s or 80s for that matter? Froch is pretty much a gatekeeper today with a few decent wins.

Not a massive stretch to imagine fighters or already acknowledged a looking better than Froch doing even better than him.

Ward wouldn't beat Mustafa, Galindez, Saad etc etc either

fists of fury · 05-15-2012, 10:34 AM

Nice to see you here, Chaney. Pop in more often.

bodhi · 05-15-2012, 11:10 AM

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Nice to see you here, Chaney. Pop in more often.

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Soldier Bartfield

He was one tough cookie though, and every one has an Achilles´heel. Perhaps Bartfield was Greb´s stylewise? And losing a few if you fight as often as he did you´ll bound to lose some.

Nightcrawler · 05-15-2012, 11:17 AM

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Soldier Bartfield

thanks PP

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 05-15-2012, 11:17 AM

Greb is the GOAT, deal with it...best resume of all time.....

DaveK · 05-15-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by withoutwire

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Today's journeymen would pulverise him.

This is a prime example of old time boxing fans having a brain full of nostalgia.

I used to think this same thing.

Then I learned about boxing.

Here's some wise advice: Pull your head from your ass and do some research. You may change your mind.

salsanchezfan · 05-15-2012, 11:29 AM

It's so easy to be a troll here.

red cobra · 05-15-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Is it not apparent to you that the above video is not even sparring? It is aping for the cameras. It is two men being told not to hit each other properly whilst remaining anchored to the spot so the stationary camera can record what they are doing in preperation of filming actual fights.

It is like coming in here with film of Ali boxing the stuffed Gorilla he carried around in Manilla claiming that Ali would not be competitive based upon that footage. It is absolutely no different from doing that in any way.

05-15-2012, 09:59 AM	#16
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,067 vCash: 75	Re: How do people have the nerve to say Harry Greb would be competitive in any era? Maske, that fighter from a hundred years ago? I stopped hatin' on the old timers once it clicked with me that if Carl Froch could be a success in today's era, a lot of those guys could as on film they are clearly faster and more 'skilled'.
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05-15-2012, 10:17 AM	#20
Chaney Mystery and Imagination ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Starving in the belly of a whale Posts: 4,237 vCash: 1000	Re: How do people have the nerve to say Harry Greb would be competitive in any era? Because of his awesome record. Greb beat more greats, HoFers/Champions/Champions-to-be than just about anybody else in all of boxing history. He beat top men much larger than himself. (We can clearly see how great some of his victims, like Tunney were on film). He ducked no one, black or white, fought 'em all, and towards the end of his career with only one eye. He fought over 300 times, racking up more fights in one year (45, I think) than some modern fighters have in their entire protected careers. Greb was phenomenal. We will never see his like again. As for the the strange 'training footage' against the 55 year old gym owner, Jack O'Brien, here's some thoughts I've previously posted on the Classic forum: People today live with cameras all around them and photos and film bombarding their senses every day. But back then it was a real novelty to have a camera pointed at you, and people didn't know how to act naturally. For example, in a Channel 4 documentary about the history of pornography it was noted that the earliest nude models no idea how to act sexily for the camera. They tended to freeze up, or act unnatural. Of course, nowadays, even children (see the ridiculous American child beauty pageants) know how to put on an act, pouting and preening for the camera. Look at early movies. There was no 'naturalistic' acting to start off with. So people did what they thought was expected of them...which was usually act in a very, overblown, theatrical way...because theater was the medium people knew. They hadn't grasped the potential of film yet. (I can remember watching Karloff's 'The Mummy' 1932, where everyone seems to make a speech and dramatically exit stage left.) Harry Greb had little understanding of film, and was acting as he was instructed for the camera. Making a recording of a fighter was probably a novelty to the camera man, too! Maybe they thought the film would come out more clearly if Greb acted in a more deliberate, artificial way.
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05-15-2012, 10:19 AM	#22
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,272 vCash: 1000	Re: How do people have the nerve to say Harry Greb would be competitive in any era? Froch is ranked #2 by Ring, he's a bit more than a gatekeeper I think. If he beats Bute, he'll be #1 if he loses, three or four?
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