Haye and Chisora each fought the wrong Klitschko

[itsa huge bitch]

Originally Posted by MaliBua

Listen tit cheek.

Helenius MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FROM INJURIES AT HIS LAST FIGHT.

Losing one fight does not mean Robert sucks. Helenius may or may not have been over hyped. It is yet to see.

your right.one bad fight dosnt make you shit..having numerous bad fights does tho..i have eyes i watch the man fight and the cabbages he fights.the man is shit..he has power and can take out old fighters who fade late in fights..when he fought someone his own age he got whipped.but like i said thats not why i think hes shit.i think hes shit because of his lack of ****ing talent

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by itsa huge bitch

again making a cunt out of yourselfconsidering i said haye would have always faired better agains vitali.my argument has been about chisora and the fact you are using his defeats to make a case that he would beat wlad.please for the love of good stop talking camel dung..

Why are you still posting on this thread you clown? You've been dominated multiple times, yet you still come back for more.

Lamont Brewster himself (who fought wlad) said

Brewster said he was able to get inside of Klitschko's long jab by using a combination of footwork and pressure. He says most pressure fighters who went up against the Klitschko brothers

"Pressure busts pipes. If you watch my footwork, the difference between me and [Chris] Arreola, is that Arreola is a plodder and only relied on his strength....

Pressure can definitely get to Wladimir...The thing is - and I’m amazed no-one ever asks me how to prepare their fighters to fight a Klitschko - nobody uses the left hook nowadays

Now, how does Chisora get inside? He uses angles, comes in a crouch, bobs and weaves and throws left hooks. Chisora looks to pressure big men all throughout fights, against Helenius he bobbed, weaved and threw plenty of left hooks. Against Vitali, he bobbed, weaved and went to the body then went upstairs with left hooks. Now you understand that styles make fights, Chisora will look to apply constant pressure, he'll use footwork, head and upper body movement to get inside, he'll go to the body then come upstairs with left hooks, all the kind of things that Lamont Brewster said Wlad will struggle with


This isn't to say Chisora wins, but it indicates that Wlad-Chisora will be an interesting fight

[CHEF]

Originally Posted by Antsu

He won one before Helenius fight. Also Helenius lose was bullshit

I agree about helenius... just saying if Chisora loses to haye, then that's now... lost 4 out of 5? Not sure that leads to a shot at wlad

[Antsu]

Originally Posted by CHEF

I agree about helenius... just saying if Chisora loses to haye, then that's now... lost 4 out of 5? Not sure that leads to a shot at wlad

Yeah it shouldnt lead to it.
I guess Wlad has only one challenge left.

Unification with IBA/IBU heavyweight champion James Toney

[suckeggs]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Why are you still posting on this thread you clown? You've been dominated multiple times, yet you still come back for more.

Lamont Brewster himself (who fought wlad) said





Now, how does Chisora get inside? He uses angles, comes in a crouch, bobs and weaves and throws left hooks. Chisora looks to pressure big men all throughout fights, against Helenius he bobbed, weaved and threw plenty of left hooks. Against Vitali, he bobbed, weaved and went to the body then went upstairs with left hooks. Now you understand that styles make fights, Chisora will look to apply constant pressure, he'll use footwork, head and upper body movement to get inside, he'll go to the body then come upstairs with left hooks, all the kind of things that Lamont Brewster said Wlad will struggle with


This isn't to say Chisora wins, but it indicates that Wlad-Chisora will be an interesting fight

Sorry dude... i know you are a Chisora fan but.... Wlad ****s him up. Chisora does not get inside against Wlad. He has piss poor footwork, plenty of bobbing but no weaving, no jab and a slow arse cuffing left hook.

Chisora is going to be made to look a mug against Haye... Wlad offers all the same stylistic problems for Chisora that Haye does with a few added extras.

Haye v Vitali.... against the same Vitali that fought Chisora i give Haye a chance of winning on points (slim chance but a chance non the less) but i give Chisora a 30% chance against Haye and around 3% chance against Wlad... Chisora just isn't very good

[fists of fury]

Personally, I don't think Haye has a chance against Vitali.

His punch output just isn't good enough, and even though he can punch and has fast hands, Vitali has a great chin. I just don't think Haye brings anywhere near enough pressure to bear, to make Vitali's old legs work.

Vitali I think, would wait for Haye to commit himself to a 'Haymaker' and simply lean back and counter, lean back and counter.
Vitali would jab and cuff Haye while Haye waits for the right opening to throw his big shots, and essentially those would be fleeting moments.

Vitali would pile up the points just being the more active fighter. As the rounds slip by, Haye's chances will dwindle yet further. He just isn't an active, high volume puncher that brings pressure.
If you don't bring some pressure, you are not beating Vitali.

I don't think Haye has the stoutest heart in the world. He isn't going to walk through leather to land his own shots. He's just not made that way. He will continue to seek those openings which won't be there. Lastly, I think he bricks it whenever he sees Vitali. Big brother scares him. (Imo)

Wlad v Chisora? Haven't thought about it. I feel Chisora is only marginally better than a clubfighter though, who had a decent and unexpected showing against Vitali. I have a feeling his 15 minutes of fame are nearly up.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by suckeggs

Sorry dude... i know you are a Chisora fan but.... Wlad ****s him up. Chisora does not get inside against Wlad. He has piss poor footwork, plenty of bobbing but no weaving, no jab and a slow arse cuffing left hook.

You're probably right mate, I just wanted to explain how it could be an interesting fight, certainly better than Wlad-Mormeck and Wlad-Thompson 2!

Originally Posted by fists of fury

Personally, I don't think Haye has a chance against Vitali.

His punch output just isn't good enough, and even though he can punch and has fast hands, Vitali has a great chin. I just don't think Haye brings anywhere near enough pressure to bear, to make Vitali's old legs work

Good post! I agree, ultimately whilst Haye has the attributes to trouble the big man, his punch output is too low, and he'll allow Vitali to fight at his own pace. If you allow the Klitschko's to fight their fight, at their own pace then you'll get broken down over 12 rounds, possibly stopped.

It's good to have some objective discussion without the likes of 'itsa huge bitch' ruining these threads.

[moneypaysbills]

Originally Posted by CHEF

I agree about helenius... just saying if Chisora loses to haye, then that's now... lost 4 out of 5? Not sure that leads to a shot at wlad

Wlad could always fight Kimbo 'Klitschko killer' Slice, or OG Malik Scott

[CHEF]

Originally Posted by Antsu

Yeah it shouldnt lead to it.
I guess Wlad has only one challenge left.

Unification with IBA/IBU heavyweight champion James Toney

how did I know that was coming

[iceman71]

Originally Posted by Antsu

Yeah it shouldnt lead to it.
I guess Wlad has only one challenge left.

Unification with IBA/IBU heavyweight champion James Toney

moron once again, congrats

[itsa huge bitch]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

Why are you still posting on this thread you clown? You've been dominated multiple times, yet you still come back for more.

Lamont Brewster himself (who fought wlad) said





Now, how does Chisora get inside? He uses angles, comes in a crouch, bobs and weaves and throws left hooks. Chisora looks to pressure big men all throughout fights, against Helenius he bobbed, weaved and threw plenty of left hooks. Against Vitali, he bobbed, weaved and went to the body then went upstairs with left hooks. Now you understand that styles make fights, Chisora will look to apply constant pressure, he'll use footwork, head and upper body movement to get inside, he'll go to the body then come upstairs with left hooks, all the kind of things that Lamont Brewster said Wlad will struggle with


This isn't to say Chisora wins, but it indicates that Wlad-Chisora will be an interesting fight

lol take up training your wasted here.oh and politics aswell...brewster beating wlad had nothing to do with gassing and all to do with brewsters footwork and lateral movement ..please dont engage me again as your taking away valuable brain space with your retarded posts..and the worst part is you actually believe what your saying

[moneypaysbills]

Mate, the worst part is your fanboy level of delusion

[FelixTrinidad]

Originally Posted by moneypaysbills

This is something that I've been pondering since the Haye-Chisora fight was announced. It's pretty obvious when you weigh up the facts, and noone but the supreme Klitschko nuthuggers (CHEF, Vladimir93) can refute with any actual conviction. To look at it objectively we can break down why Haye-Vitali and Chisora-Wlad would be better matchups. I'm not saying they'd win, but they both would have had a better chance of glory, also as we all know the Klitschko's love to pick up fighters that the other sibling has already fought, so even though these two aren't bums, they could still follow their past patterns.

Haye-Vitali

This one is quite obvious, Vitali has two losses in his career, both were to slick black G's, but Haye would only be able to emulate one of these. There will be no TKO6, but haye could certainly make Vitali miss and make him quit. We've seen Chrs Byrd do it, and Haye has the same movement, and the same skill. Vitali has a granite chin, so Chisora's power was ineffective, but with Haye able to make him miss he could attack vitali's weak spot, his heart.

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Exhibit one speaks for itself, and gives credence to the fact that they rematch each others fights, hence Wlad-Byrd

Wlad-Chisora

This one is also pretty obvious, we all know that Wlad has a shaky chin, CHEF will tell you, Vitali will tell and Stevie Wonder will tell you. Therefore, with Chisora's good chin as proven by some of the Vitali shots that landed, his power and his swarming style. He is always going to have much more joy with Wlad. Put simply Wlad doesn't like pressure, if an in shape Chisora turns up then he could give Wlad some real trouble, and maybe get himself a KO.

Exhibit 2

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His style won't win him a UD over such a technically accomplished fighter, but the Klitschko's are like Barcelona, you don't beat them by matching style and boxing perfectly, unless you're Lennox Lewis which Haye and Chisora most certainly aren't. You beat them by exploiting their few but still exisitng weaknesses.

Also none of that he was green bollocks, it was only his 38th fight against a man he assumed would be a walkover.


So there you go that's my argument, I'm not saying wither would win or lose, but that they both would've had more joy if the fights had been reversed. Who knows if whoever wins beats Povetkin, we may see one of these fights happen.

Great Post.

Great Analysis.

I made a similar poll

But your analysis is better.

Spot on.

Exposing the ****ing Kbro Tag Team faggots for what they are

[moneypaysbills]

Cheers man nice to see some honest and impartial opinion