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Old 05-16-2012, 07:08 AM   #106
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Still his loss against Byrd was what 12 YEARS ago? It's ridicolous to bring something THAT old and think that has anything to do with the present Vitali.

And who are you to question his heart? He is a professional fighter wich had a horrific injury to his eye wich would potentially injury him for the rest of his career and STILL wanted to continue if that isn't heart I don't know what is.

Get out of here.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:10 AM   #107
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You'd all have probably said the same thing about a semi-pro golfer, who took the fight on short notice, that Wlad will smack him around. Upsets can happen and I believe Chisora has been sold short by his stupid antics post Vitali fight and before it...
How long ago was the Sanders fight?

.............and how is Chisora anything like Sanders?
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:20 AM   #108
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How long ago was the Sanders fight?

.............and how is Chisora anything like Sanders?
because chisora is a tall heavyweight southpaw with great power who is a nightmare for the 1st 3 rounds of any fight..
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:21 AM   #109
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How long ago was the Sanders fight?

.............and how is Chisora anything like Sanders?
that quote never says they're the same

furthermore, G$sora is a swarmer, Wlad can't handle the pressure, can't fight backwards since he got sonned by sanders. Hence why he's know content to beat on people like Thompson and The slicker, faster Mike Tyson... Mormeck
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:28 AM   #110
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Haye has a chance vs Vitali, Chisora gets destroyed by Wlad.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:29 AM   #111
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lewis- slick? ok, i wont bother with that one lewis was great, one of the greatEST, but i dont think he can be considered 'slick'.

byrd- when the fight was stopped, vitali was massively ahead on the scorecards, as i recall? ok, so he quit due to a torn rotator cuff, i think he probably should have tried to finish the fight. however, he didnt struggle with byrd, at all.

wlad's losses are far more clean cut, i dont think theres any element of doubt to his.

i agree that chisora and haye may have fought the wrong fights, but the logic behind the argument doesnt extend much further than the styles and attributes of chisora and haye themselves. not, of the K bro's previous opponents.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:30 AM   #112
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that quote never says they're the same

furthermore, G$sora is a swarmer, Wlad can't handle the pressure, can't fight backwards since he got sonned by sanders. Hence why he's know content to beat on people like Thompson and The slicker, faster Mike Tyson... Mormeck
Not all pressure fighters can cause Wlad problems. It requires someone who is actually good at what they are doing. Walkning forward in a straight line and throwing with both arms does not automaticly a win over Wlad, as your argumentation suggests.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:39 AM   #113
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byrd- when the fight was stopped, vitali was massively ahead on the scorecards, as i recall? ok, so he quit due to a torn rotator cuff, i think he probably should have tried to finish the fight. however, he didnt struggle with byrd, at all.
People who say this havent seen the fight. Vitali did struggle badly with Byrd and while German scorecards were indeed wide, they should have been much closer.

Byrd had his best round before Vitali quit. Vitali himself probably think that scores were much closers or he wouldnt have quit.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:46 AM   #114
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People who say this havent seen the fight. Vitali did struggle badly with Byrd and while German scorecards were indeed wide, they should have been much closer.

Byrd had his best round before Vitali quit. Vitali himself probably think that scores were much closers or he wouldnt have quit.
i saw the fight, and i didnt see it that close. i think people tend to clutch at straws when it comes to the K brothers. comparing byrd to many of vitali's other opponents, then yeah.. byrd was 'trouble' for vitali. do you consider cotto to have been so much trouble for mayweather? or was it just in light of how relatively easily mayweather dispatches his opponents?

not knocking, just trying to put a different spin on things.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:03 AM   #115
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Nah both Haye and Chisora lose anyway.
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because chisora is a tall heavyweight southpaw with great power who is a nightmare for the 1st 3 rounds of any fight..

I always find it hilarious when Klitschko fanboys try to make out Corrie Sanders to be a H2H nightmare, and underrated ATG! Corrie Sanders was cherrypicked, and considered an easy win for a reason! He was a semi retired, semi-pro golfer showing up for a quick payday.

Also, Moneypaysbills was making the point that people wrote Sanders off, look what happened, upsets can happen in boxing.


To whoever said Vitali didn't struggle with Byrd, Be honest, you haven't watched the fight have you
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:40 AM   #117
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I always find it hilarious when Klitschko fanboys try to make out Corrie Sanders to be a H2H nightmare, and underrated ATG! Corrie Sanders was cherrypicked, and considered an easy win for a reason! He was a semi retired, semi-pro golfer showing up for a quick payday.

Also, Moneypaysbills was making the point that people wrote Sanders off, look what happened, upsets can happen in boxing.


To whoever said Vitali didn't struggle with Byrd, Be honest, you haven't watched the fight have you
first of all you have basiclly ended your own argument.by calling sanders win over wlad an upset (which is what it was) your awknoledging sanders was in the right place at the right time..sanders was no atg or h2h nightmare you said that not me..what im saying which i always have said about sanders.he was very very dangerous not only was he a southpaw he had raw power and was avoided by some top heavys of his time.but he was only dangerous for 3 rounds then faded due to his lack of stamina.wlad took him lightly (as he even admitted this)did not do his homework and tryed to slug with him and got blasted away..so am i saying corrie sanders was a great boxer??**** no..am i saying if you slug with him in the first 3 rounds theres a very very big danger you will get knocked the **** out regardless of who you are??yes thats exactly what im saying.wlads old team are to blame for the purrity and sanders losses if you give a **** about boxing instead of trying to troll about the champions you would know this..
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:48 AM   #118
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first of all you have basiclly ended your own argument.by calling sanders win over wlad an upset (which is what it was) your awknoledging sanders was in the right place at the right time..sanders was no atg or h2h nightmare you said that not me..what im saying which i always have said about sanders.he was very very dangerous not only was he a southpaw he had raw power and was avoided by some top heavys of his time.but he was only dangerous for 3 rounds then faded due to his lack of stamina.wlad took him lightly (as he even admitted this)did not do his homework and tryed to slug with him and got blasted away..so am i saying corrie sanders was a great boxer??**** no..am i saying if you slug with him in the first 3 rounds theres a very very big danger you will get knocked the **** out regardless of who you are??yes thats exactly what im saying.wlads old team are to blame for the purrity and sanders losses if you give a **** about boxing instead of trying to troll about the champions you would know this..
What do you mean right place at the right time, he was semi-retired and barely cared about boxing at the time. He just wanted some money to arrange a pro lesson with Tiger Woods. Wlad wanted an easy win, and indeed suffered an upset.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:50 AM   #119
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Also if your absolving Wlad of all blame for Purrity and Sanders losses, who was to blame for Brewster, as it can't have been Wlad?
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first of all you have basiclly ended your own argument.by calling sanders win over wlad an upset (which is what it was) your awknoledging sanders was in the right place at the right time..sanders was no atg or h2h nightmare you said that not me..what im saying which i always have said about sanders.he was very very dangerous not only was he a southpaw he had raw power and was avoided by some top heavys of his time.but he was only dangerous for 3 rounds then faded due to his lack of stamina.

How have I ended my argument by saying it was an upset? You make no sense. Sanders was a cherrypick for Wlad to keep busy. It's Klitschko fanboys like yourself, who make out that Sanders was better than he was, to excuse Wlad getting blown out by him. My argument, was that upsets happen in boxing, which is true.



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wlad took him lightly (as he even admitted this)did not do his homework and tryed to slug with him and got blasted away..so am i saying corrie sanders was a great boxer??**** no..am i saying if you slug with him in the first 3 rounds theres a very very big danger you will get knocked the **** out regardless of who you are??yes thats exactly what im saying.wlads old team are to blame for the purrity and sanders losses if you give a **** about boxing instead of trying to troll about the champions you would know this..

Of course Wlad says he took him lightly, he beat the shit out of him. No, Wlad is to blame for the Sanders, Purrity and Brewster losses. Wlad didn't want to slug with him you clown, Sanders executed the gameplan (Lennox helped him with), which was to jump on Wlad quick and back him up. Wlad had no choice but to engage Sanders. Unfortunately, we have no fighters today who are capable of executing it. Wlad's 'improvements' have been exaggerated, yes he has improved, but the quality of opposition has drastically declined. I think Wlad from 2000-2004 could dominate this division no problem, and look better doing it.

Now stop trying to make out Corrie Sanders to be an ATG and H2H nightmare, you just look like an idiot, he was a journeyman for most of his career


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Also if your absolving Wlad of all blame for Purrity and Sanders losses, who was to blame for Brewster, as it can't have been Wlad?

If they take all the blame for the losses, then surely they take all the credit for the wins?
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