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Old 05-16-2012, 01:18 PM   #16
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Actually Top Rank's undercards has been better. They got more young face first brawlers.
Agreed.

His latest one has 2 world title fights on the undercard.

Mike Jones and Rigondeux, great fighters.

plus Jorge Arce. I think this is my favourite undercard in years.

Also his Cotto Margo one had rios mitchell which was great. and also had Mike Jones on too.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:19 PM   #17
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All subjective.

yes but your not neutral so your opinion don't count
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:20 PM   #18
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This just proves that Floyd and GBP should be running the show since they put on the more effective PPV cards with Floyd than Arum does with Pac.

Pac needs to jump ship and fight Floyd under GBP right away.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:22 PM   #19
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This just proves that Floyd and GBP should be running the show since they put on the more effective PPV cards with Floyd than Arum does with Pac.

Pac needs to jump ship and fight Floyd under GBP right away.

This June show has 3 title fights in one night. Competition is healthy. They are both trying to out do each other.

If GBP ran the show you'd notice the standard go down hill
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:22 PM   #20
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The Floyd fights less is a very valid point. It creates more of an urge to see him.

When he retired and came back to fight marquez. it was a mismatch, we knew that. but we all bought it cos we missed him.

Same if manny retired for 18 months. We'd be excited when he came back.

Oh sorry forgot to mention. I'm a neutral too by the way.
Speak for yourself. I knew Floyd/Juan was a mismatch, and I didn't buy it.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:23 PM   #21
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This June show has 3 title fights in one night. Competition is healthy. They are both trying to out do each other.

If GBP ran the show you'd notice the standard go down hill
Again, nothing but opinion.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:28 PM   #22
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yes but your not neutral so your opinion don't count
Yes I am. The info I put in front of you is still valid. It doesn't change that Floyd did 1,500,000 buys and $94,000,000 in revenue, with $50,000,000 as a payday compared to Manny doing 1,250,000 buys, and $71,000,000 in revenue, and $25,000,000 as a payday.

None of that changes just because I say it.

So again, what you said was all subjective.

Floyd fought Oscar and Hatton within a 7 month period.

Floyd fought Marquez and Mosley within a 8 month period.

Floyd fougth Ortiz and Cotto within a 8 month period.

Also doesn't change the fact that Floyd averages 1,705,000 PPV buys where as

Pac averages 1,113,000 PPV buys among common opponents.

I try to be consistent with pactards like yourself. I don't even try to argue the numbers since Oscar anymore and I use something that ISN'T SUBJECTIVE, like the numbers, and you pactards still trying to put blame on the poster rather than actually look at the info.

In my opinion your not neutral. I have seen many fans on this website say your not neutral, so your a pactard...but your opinion still counts..you just ignore the information to try and strengthen your opinion which is why you fail all the time.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:30 PM   #23
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Floyd vs Manny is bigger than those - they are 50/50 as in names

Cloud - Campillo - 75/25
Williams - Lara - 70-30
Pacquiao - JMM - 65-35
robberies dude.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:30 PM   #24
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Speak for yourself. I knew Floyd/Juan was a mismatch, and I didn't buy it.

well i bought it. and as usual after 24/7 i though marquez had a chance
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:33 PM   #25
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Yes I am. The info I put in front of you is still valid. It doesn't change that Floyd did 1,500,000 buys and $94,000,000 in revenue, with $50,000,000 as a payday compared to Manny doing 1,250,000 buys, and $71,000,000 in revenue, and $25,000,000 as a payday.

None of that changes just because I say it.

So again, what you said was all subjective.

Floyd fought Oscar and Hatton within a 7 month period.

Floyd fought Marquez and Mosley within a 8 month period.

Floyd fougth Ortiz and Cotto within a 8 month period.

Also doesn't change the fact that Floyd averages 1,705,000 PPV buys where as

Pac averages 1,113,000 PPV buys among common opponents.

I try to be consistent with pactards like yourself. I don't even try to argue the numbers since Oscar anymore and I use something that ISN'T SUBJECTIVE, like the numbers, and you pactards still trying to put blame on the poster rather than actually look at the info.

In my opinion your not neutral. I have seen many fans on this website say your not neutral, so your a pactard...but your opinion still counts..you just ignore the information to try and strengthen your opinion which is why you fail all the time.

I only look at recent ppv numbers as IMO that's all that matters.

I'll only go back about 3 fights max cos fighters popularities go up and down.

For example not many casuals new who manny was when he fought oscar.

SO personaly i find numbers further than a couple of years old irrelevant myself.

But i appreciate the effort you made putting that together. You should email that to Goldenboy or something
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:34 PM   #26
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Flomos act like Floyd is the PPV king but it's no secret that Floyd need big Mexican name on his undercards to fight on a Mexican Holiday to boost his sale. If PAC was to fight on Cinco De Mayo with Canelo on his undercard I bet he would push pass 1.5 PPV.
Catnthehat is my new favourite poster on these boards.

He just bends over Pactards and bums them senseless for fun.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:34 PM   #27
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First of all am a neutral in this debate (before Anyone decide's to call me a pactard/flomo).

Isnt the comparison Of Pac vs Floyd a bit unfair on Pacquiao.
Reasons:
  • Floyd = American unlike Pacquiao, PPV vs PPV - is the sales from USA
  • Floyd works with Golden Boy, Who put on Great Undercards - In his last 2 fights he has had Morales, Canelo and Mosley, who on their own sell a lot of PPV's
  • Pacquiao is with that peice of shit Arum, He outright refuses to put a good undercard on - He was once asked why not put Donaire on the undercard - Arum: 'That's the Last thing I want'
  • Floyd Fights far more less, so people have the feeling that the fight might once a event fight, so they spend their money - E.g. if the PPV was $60 - A person may set themselve a budget of $60 dollars to spend on a certain fighter, so they often buy 1 out of 2/3, with floyd they can buy every single one
None of that his Mayweather's problem though. Thats like saying its unfair for Manny to be rated as one of the top P4P guys because he is so much faster and has so much more stamina, to go with power he shouldn't have at this weight then majority of his comp. That its an unfair advantage and if he was the same speed, same stamina, same power as the average man then he wouldn't be one of the top P4P guys.

Mayweather put himself in this position so all the credit goes to him. He made the right choice leaving Arum. He made some smart buisness decisions in teaming up with certain people to allow him to capitalize his earnings every way possible. Took a lot of a heat for a couple yrs doing these things, but as usual he came out on top.
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I only look at recent ppv numbers as IMO that's all that matters.

I'll only go back about 3 fights max cos fighters popularities go up and down.

For example not many casuals new who manny was when he fought oscar.

SO personaly i find numbers further than a couple of years old irrelevant myself.

But i appreciate the effort you made putting that together. You should email that to Goldenboy or something
Even if you look at the most recent OFFICIAL numbers, Floyd is still the top seller with Mosley, Cotto, Ortiz than Pac is with Mosley, Margarito and Clottey.
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Flomos act like Floyd is the PPV king but it's no secret that Floyd need big Mexican name on his undercards to fight on a Mexican Holiday to boost his sale. If PAC was to fight on Cinco De Mayo with Canelo on his undercard I bet he would push pass 1.5 PPV.
But he hasn't and doesn't. When he does do it and generates those buys then it can be used in negociation or in debate. Say he could do it but yet his promoter won't do it doesn't mean anything.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:43 PM   #30
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Even if you look at the most recent OFFICIAL numbers, Floyd is still the top seller with Mosley, Cotto, Ortiz than Pac is with Mosley, Margarito and Clottey.
yes i agree. I'm happy with 55/45 to floyd.

I think it's 50/50 because regardless of ppv sales this is 2 A-sides fighting each other. And everyone who buys this fight are paying to watch Pac vs May.

As apposed to recent fights of Pac/May vs "insert random opponent"

But based on numbers 55/45 is fair imo.
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