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Old 05-18-2012, 11:28 PM   #16
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Anyone think patterson beating by Johanson was worse? Foreman hit harder, but that fight with Patrterson walking around in daze as Johansson was allowed to keep hitting him comes to mind with all the talk of Fraizer Foreman.
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Don't want to start a full scale riot but am I the only person in the world who thought the first knockdown looked a bit wierd - not saying bogus - just have watched it a million times and slowed it down and fall all the world I can't see anything other than Fraziers knee dipping down before the uppercut lands - straight up it it starts to go before the punch lands - I reckon Frazier actually slipped and may have hastened his executioners onslaught in part by making think he had him when he maybe didn't? I don't know I just can't fathom why the leg went before the punch?? Obviously everything else that followed is there for the eye to see but that first one was wierd anyone else see it??
It was just sick power coming off of awkward Foreman punches. Joe once said "God gave him too much power." George would go through the biggest heavy bag in a week. He was just strong.
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Old 05-19-2012, 01:04 AM   #18
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Wlad gets knock down and gets up every time and the ref stops it(Wlad was never knock out, only stop) and he has a glass jaw.

Frazier gets knock down and gets up every time and he has some iron chin. funny how this world works.
Foreman= one of the top 3 hardest heavyweight hitters ever

Puritty=bum

Sanders= B level fighter at best,golfer

Brewster=tough guy,hit pretty damn hard but was supposedly miles behind Klitschko when he knocked him out.

Getting stopped by an all time great power puncher means you are human. Getting stopped by a feather fisted bum means you have a bad chin.
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Old 05-19-2012, 02:09 AM   #19
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Dick Saddler said it best,,,,,,,,,,,

When asked by the media at a press conference, if he had a 'fight plan'.

'Joe Frazier leads with his head,,,,,,,,,,,,we don't need a fight plan'
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Joe Frazier after the fight,

'I knew George hit hard,,,,,,,,,,,,,but not that hard.'

'I simply underestimated him - I was not careful in there.'

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Old 05-19-2012, 04:29 AM   #20
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Frazier took a dive.

Just not in the traditional sense.
Which was launched by Foreman's power punches.
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:27 AM   #21
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Some Frazier vs Foreman I facts;

* Joe Frazier was a 3 1/2 to 1 Favorite at Fight Time

* The bout was held on Monday Night, January 22, 1973

* 36,000 fans attended that bout

* National Stadium in Kingston, Jamaica has a capacity of 42,000

* Joe Frazier fight purse; $875,000

* George Foreman fight purse; $375,000

* The bout was originally scheduled for Madison Square Garden

* George Foreman was the crowd favorite

* Joe Frazier sang 'Knock on Wood' with his Musical Revue 'Joe Frazier and the Knockouts' the night before on a
Sunday Night nationally televised Jamaican Variety Show.

* Joe Frazier and Team had been in some preliminary discussions with Joe Bugner, Alvin 'Blue' Lewis and Jimmy Ellis
as potential challengers for a May 1973 Championship bout.

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Old 05-19-2012, 07:54 AM   #22
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Some Frazier vs Foreman I facts;

* Joe Frazier was a 3 1/2 to 1 Favorite at Fight Time

* The bout was held on Monday Night, January 22, 1973

* 36,000 fans attended that bout

* National Stadium in Kingston, Jamaica has a capacity of 42,000

* Joe Frazier fight purse; $875,000

* George Foreman fight purse; $375,000

* The bout was originally scheduled for Madison Square Garden

* George Foreman was the crowd favorite

* Joe Frazier sang 'Knock on Wood' with his Musical Revue 'Joe Frazier and the Knockouts' the night before on a
Sunday Night nationally televised Jamaican Variety Show.

* Joe Frazier and Team had been in some preliminary discussions with Joe Bugner, Alvin 'Blue' Lewis and Jimmy Ellis
as potential challengers for a May 1973 Championship bout.

I wonder why Foreman was the crowd favourite. Joe Frazier was in no way unpopular globally. Or was it just a rooting for the underdog thing ?
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:54 AM   #23
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Rocky,,,,,,,

I thought the same thing,,,,,,,,,but in truth,,,,,,,,'Smokin Joe' was stunned
before the 'first knockdown'.

Joe, when hurt, always did a little 'leg dance',,,,
Thanks for your "non-psycho" response seņor pepe

Was always curious to see whether anyone else thought it just looked wierd - I'd been too embarrassed to suggest it at times in the past - but recently another boxing friend of mine who admittedly hasnt really watched a great deal of fights from years gone by was watching one of my DVDs recently and Frazier-Foreman 1 was on it and on that first knockdown mate suddenly went "Hey?? what happened there?? That wasn't a knockdown? Frazier was going down before he was hit!?? and then when got up and immediately start walking away as if to get a second to shake himself clear again my mate was like "he wasn't hurt then? Whys he walking off as though he's hurt??". Obviously after that Foreman really does start giving him a pounding and at that point he concedes that he starting to get nearly killed then. But I'd been like "yeah!? I know I've always thought that looked wierd on that first knockdown aswell!!?". Just didn't know whether anyone else thought the same when they first saw it? Thanks for for helping prove I wasn't going mad LOL
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:44 PM   #24
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Rocky,,

I had originally thought that the 'first knockdown' was a result of a glancing
right hand to Joe's forehead, a 'no big deal punch'.

But, that right uppercut that George threw from way back at 1:27, was the clincher.

Alvin 'Blue' Lewis, 27-3-0 (17 KO's) and the #9 Heavyweight, was hoping for a shot at Joe Frazier in May 1973.
Had said, that he was watching the January 22, 1973 - Frazier vs. Foreman Heavyweight Championship -
after his bout versus Charlie Reno in Olympia Stadium in Detroit.

'Blue' Lewis said after defeating Charlie Reno 16-8-1 (5 KO's) by an easy 10-Round Decision,
'I did my job, now Joe will do his, and I will get a Title Shot in May and 'shock the world'.

After watching 'Big George' land the right uppercut at 1:27 - Alvin 'Blue' Lewis screamed out
at the satellite screen -
'That mother****er Foreman, he's ruining my ****ing life'.

'Out-the-proverbial-window' went a World Heavyweight Championship bout for Alvin 'Blue' Lewis.

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Old 05-19-2012, 04:15 PM   #25
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* Joe Frazier sang 'Knock on Wood' with his Musical Revue 'Joe Frazier and the Knockouts' the night before on a
Sunday Night nationally televised Jamaican Variety Show.
Joe Frazier sang the same song on the Ed Sullivan Show on Sunday, February 15, 1970, the night before he fought Jimmy Ellis for the undisputed title.
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Old 05-19-2012, 06:25 PM   #26
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Three Knockdown,

An article in the Philadelphia Daily News,

January 1973

Had Yancey 'Yank' Durham stating 'Smokin Joe' Fraziers fight plan for 1973.

After the January 22, 1973 bout with #2 George Foreman in Jamaica -

May 1973 Possible Bouts

It was a possible May 1973 bout versus #9 Alvin 'Blue' Lewis, either at Madison Square Garden
or Detroit (Alvin Lewis home base). 'Blue' Lewis had put up a very good battle against Muhammad Ali
in their July 1972 bout in Ireland, won by Ali TKO 11.

The only thing 'Blue' Lewis had to do, was win 'one' tune-up bout, and they were
good-to-go for May 1973. - Lewis did his 'thing' over Charlie 'Sweet' Reno on January 22, 1973
- but 'Smokin Joe' got clobbered by 'Big George'.
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#8 Joe Bugner was in the mix too, for a possible bout in the United Kingdom. The 22 1/2 year-old,
6' 4" 220 lb. Hungarian fighting out of the United Kingdom.

Bugner, 42-4-1 (27 KO's) - and European Heavyweight Champion had a very good 1972, with
solid wins over - Jurgen Blin KO 8 - Tony Doyle TKO 8 - Danta Cane TKO 6 - Rudi Lubbers W Dec 15.
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And #3 Jimmy Ellis, 34-7-0 (18 KO's) - who was on the 'comeback trail' after losing to Muhammad Ali
in July 1971 by a TKO 11, was also in the 'triple-mix', for a bout in Philadelphia or Landover, Maryland.

Jimmy had won '4' in a row over 'mediocre journeyman', and all by Knock-out. Yank Durham
considered the 32 1/2 year-old former WBA Champion a 'safe opponent', who still carried name
recognition.
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#1 Muhammad Ali, though a potential bout with both Joe Frazier and Ali getting $5,000,000 each
was floated, but not for 1973, at that time of the interview in January 1973.

Yank Durham was thinking about Muhammad Ali for an early-1974 bout, where upon winning,
'Smokin Joe' would retire.
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#4 Ron Lyle was not in the mix, as the undefeated Denver fighter 19-0-0 (17 KO's) was as
Joe Frazier put it, 'built like poured concrete, and the most dangerous fighter out there.'

Yank Durham said, 'we will only fight Ron Lyle if we have to, his number is not on our
telephone dial.'
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Others who had a 'look-see' (January 1973 by Yank Durham)

* #7 Jerry Quarry 44-6-4 (26 KO's) - Jerry was embarrassed by Muhammad Ali (TKO'd in 7) in June 1972.
Jerry was considered washed-up at age 27 1/2, and at that time did not carry any 'marquee value'.

* #10 Mac Foster 28-2-0 (28 KO's) - A bout with Mac Foster 'the knock-out artist' was intriguing, as
Yank Durham put it. We may try for a bout in Mac's backyard in Oakland.

But Mac had not fought since losing a 15-Round Decision to Muhammad Ali in Japan, in April 1972.
In 8-months, Mac has fallen to the bottom of the Top 10. If he can get in a 'win or two', this may
be our best bout for May 1973. Joe could get about $750,000 for this bout, and Mac could make
around $200,000.

* #6 Ernie Terrell 45-7-0 (21 KO's) - The 33 1/2 year-old former WBA Champion has put together several
impressive wins since returning to the ring. Recently, Terrell upset the #5 Heavyweight, Venezuelan
Jose Luis Garcia by KO 6 in Venezuela, in October 1972.

Yank Durham said, a bout with Ernie would only work in Chicago (Terrell's home-base) or Philadelphia.
Maybe we could pull in $500,000 for this bout, but Terrell would have to concede in making anything more
than $150,000. This fight would be a 'tough sell' anywhere outside of Chicago or Philadelphia.

* #5 Floyd Patterson, who had not announced his 'official retirement', was not considered for a
1973 World Title shot, as his age of 38 was a 'serious concern'. Floyd had not fought since his
courageous performance in September 1972, while losing to Muhammad Ali by (L RTD 7).

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All things considered, this is the greatest victory in the hw division.
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All things considered, this is the greatest victory in the hw division.
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:39 AM   #29
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I still think FOTC Joe smokes any version of Foreman.
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January 15, 1973

'Smokin Joe' shadow boxing in preperation for his upcoming bout with
George Foreman.

The opening Las Vegas odds for this bout favored 'Smokin Joe' at 8-1.
Joe was an overwhelming favorite - and many boxing promoters thought
that this bout would be a 'joke'.

But the odds fell leading up to the January 22, 1973 bout, as many were
convinced that George Foreman was 'a live underdog' - as Joe Frazier
was not training as hard as he should be, and that he looked very
mediocre in his training camp as well as 'paunchy',

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Joe Frazier listed height;.............. 5' 11 1/2"
George Foreman listed height;....... 6' 3"

Me no think so....

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