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Old 05-20-2012, 09:55 AM   #31
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Also what was the deal with the weight? Catchweight for an (albeit pretty pointless) title? Or was Green's reference to 172 just the ramblings of a delusioonal yank with concussion?
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:05 AM   #32
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4 years ago, sure. I'm not so sure he could beat Nathan now. I forgot to mention how easily he's hit now. Ridiculously so. He's never been that hard to find, he's always infront of you, gets squared on, pulls back in straight lines with his gloves down. But...not to the extent we've seen recently, anyone with handspeed can't miss! Reactions are shot.

Imagining him against a high volume quick guy like Cleverly is not pretty anymore. He can still hit and has heart and toughness and all that, but he's never been a great counterpuncher really, he's better leading and with somebody swarming him with speed and variation he's going to get smacked about pretty bad and he really is quite inaccurate at returning fire now.

Frank should seize the opportunity, he probably will...the shark.
His one saving grace against Cleverly could be that Nathan can be timed, Kessler does have the experience to land that big shot. More than likely is that Cleverly runs him over i agree.
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:08 AM   #33
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Clev has size, youth and a high workrate. Whilst kessler seems to have slipped quite a bit especially defensively. Of course he could get cracked but Clev wasnt hurt by decent punching Bellew who is practically a cruiser so I dont see it myself. Late TKO for Clev with Kessler winning a few rounds and looking decent early but eventually getting broken down.
I don't see any chance of a Cleverley stoppage win. None at all.
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Old 05-20-2012, 11:39 AM   #34
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I don't see any chance of a Cleverley stoppage win. None at all.
Same. Cleverly has a high work rate, but isn't exactly a destructive puncher. I'd be more confident of a Kessler stoppage to be honest, even if he is past his best.
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:07 PM   #35
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I don't see any chance of a Cleverley stoppage win. None at all.
I was getting a bit excited when I wrote that but I do think there would be a chance. Just through accumulation particularly shots to the body slowing him down allowing clev to just tee off on Kesslers head. Especially if the fight happened in the UK
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:36 PM   #36
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I was getting a bit excited when I wrote that but I do think there would be a chance. Just through accumulation particularly shots to the body slowing him down allowing clev to just tee off on Kesslers head. Especially if the fight happened in the UK
You're trippin.

Clev would get destroyed.

I don't think Cleverly would even beat Green.
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:42 PM   #37
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I was getting a bit excited when I wrote that but I do think there would be a chance. Just through accumulation particularly shots to the body slowing him down allowing clev to just tee off on Kesslers head. Especially if the fight happened in the UK
I don't think that would happen. But I admire the enthusiasm!
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:53 PM   #38
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Actually, I have to give Jimmy Montoya some credit here. I was a little over zealous with criticism of Kessler last night, because its clear physically and timing wise he's eroded. Badly.

But...despite some of the wild left-hooks, he did actually land a nice one in the third which had Green going and actually impressed me more than the finish which I dunno how Green let him land that. This ones pretty short, at short range, and as we all know Mikkel is pretty weak for short punching. Kessler's left-hook has always been wild and wooly but this one is pretty tight, technically. Which is more than the useless cunt who trained him last managed in his entire career.

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Old 05-20-2012, 12:55 PM   #39
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You either rate Green alot more than me or really dislike Clev. From what I've seen Clev can look decent and other times appalling, but hes got a high workrate, decent speed and an alright chin. He'd lose to all the top guys but a shot Kessler who is constantly out of the ring through injuries and has shipped a lot of punishment he'd handle in a 116-112 sort of affair or British stoppage in the 10-12

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I don't think that would happen. But I admire the enthusiasm!
Not even a clev fan But apart from that left hook he hardly looked spectacular yesterday, age, punishment, injuries and time out of the ring aren't exactly going to help him in a bigger weight division.
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:52 PM   #40
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Maybe I've got this totally wrong, but that was a brutal KO in the 4th round against a medicore but genuine LHW, after having a long break. Yes he looks a bit slow, yes he looks easy to hit, yes he's on the slide but he ain't finished. IMO He still gives alot of the top boys in the divdision problems.

See alot of post about Clev's workrate and if he moves and boxes Kessler it's in the bag, but we know Clev likes to go to war sometimes, and if he gets tagged with the Vicking's power, Clev's got problems.

Anyway, I'm probabaly wrong, but I wouldn't write him off just yet.
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Old 05-20-2012, 02:11 PM   #41
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Once Kessler took the initiative he started to slip shots and fight with more of a rhythm, but he's not the guy he was against Calzaghe.
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Old 05-20-2012, 02:55 PM   #42
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He had a rough round an a half after being highly inactive for a long time.
Once he found himself, it became very one sided and he finished it big in the 4th.

People reading a little to much into this.
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:05 PM   #43
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Froch ended him, Why? Cos Froch said so!!..
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:15 PM   #44
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He had a rough round an a half after being highly inactive for a long time.
Once he found himself, it became very one sided and he finished it big in the 4th.

People reading a little to much into this.
He's just been so inactive, and he's very easy to hit.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:09 PM   #45
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He had a rough round an a half after being highly inactive for a long time.
Once he found himself, it became very one sided and he finished it big in the 4th.

People reading a little to much into this.
Aye, thought he looked good round 2 onwards - taking into account his inactivity and miles on the clock. I wonder if moving up in weight might have been something he should have done a while ago.

I think he'd murder Clev, unfortunately.
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