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Old 05-26-2012, 03:31 PM   #1
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Default 60's Ali vs 70's Ali

Don't think I've ever seen this one, could be fun...

Ali from the Clevland Williams fight in 1966 vs Ali from FOTC.

How does this play out? Could the older, bigger, stronger Ali outmuscle his younger counterpart or would the youngster use his otherworldly athletic ability to keep his future self from him for the duration while peppering him from the outside?
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Old 05-26-2012, 04:55 PM   #2
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64-67 Ali was unbeatable.
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:33 PM   #3
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one version would look better than the other but both would beat that williams in the same round.

young ali was having fun and showing off with movement. punching was the same. The older version had settled down a tad was half a step slower but was still sharp and knew his way around a ring.
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Old 05-26-2012, 11:40 PM   #4
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64-67 Ali was unbeatable.


Angelo Dundee always maintained the Ali prior to his enforced layoff was superior to the one after. 'Could do thing the later Ali just couldn't'.
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Old 05-27-2012, 05:43 AM   #5
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Younger Ali would attempt to outwork older Ali. Older Ali would outhink and negate and advantages younger Ali had imo.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:00 AM   #6
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FOTC Ali is the best version of Ali. He was bigger and stronger and while he was still very sharp he also sat down on his punches a lot more and didnt show off as much. He would win this fight 10 times out of 10 simply because he was smarter.
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The Ali from 1964 to 1967 was the best heavyweight who ever lived IMO.
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:18 PM   #8
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The Ali from 1964 to 1967 was the best heavyweight who ever lived IMO.
And we have a winner!
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:42 PM   #9
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The Ali from 1964 to 1967 was the best heavyweight who ever lived IMO.
I'm not sure I agree.
He was definitely fun to watch and possessed footwork I never saw before or since.

I think he was a tad overconfident and full of himself and would have had a lot of trouble with some of the other greats HWs.

He fought with his hands down at his sides, most of the time.

Could he have beat Marciano, prime Louis or prime Charles that way?
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:26 AM   #10
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Don't think I've ever seen this one, could be fun...

Ali from the Clevland Williams fight in 1966 vs Ali from FOTC.

How does this play out? Could the older, bigger, stronger Ali outmuscle his younger counterpart or would the youngster use his otherworldly athletic ability to keep his future self from him for the duration while peppering him from the outside?

Imo,Ali was at his seventies best in 1973/74. At the time from Norton II through Frazier II to the Foreman fight. He was no faster than he was in FOTC '71 but no slower either. He was also sharper than he was two/three years previously and in better physical condition. What's more he'd learned a few tricks in ring generalship to compensate for being a tad slower than before his exile.

To answer your thread though,Ali 1966 UD Ali 1971. Fairly close but decisive win for the younger incarnation. The '74 Ali makes it closer still,but Ali of the Williams fight still wins.

Cassius Clay 1964 v Muhammad Ali 1974 would be a pick 'em bout.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:59 PM   #11
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Just picture the pre fight press conferences
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:15 AM   #12
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one version would look better than the other but both would beat that williams in the same round.

young ali was having fun and showing off with movement. punching was the same. The older version had settled down a tad was half a step slower but was still sharp and knew his way around a ring.
I agree that Williams would go just as early. The 'Big Cat' was toothless at that stage of his career.
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:24 PM   #13
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I haven`t read any other posts but I expect to see some agenda driven Frazier fans say Ali from FOTC would win

Ali of the Williams fight by clear decision... no HW ever caught on film would be a favourite over Muhammad Ali 1966/67 IMO.
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Does 60s Ali get smelling salts or not ?
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I haven`t read any other posts but I expect to see some agenda driven Frazier fans say Ali from FOTC would win

Ali of the Williams fight by clear decision... no HW ever caught on film would be a favourite over Muhammad Ali 1966/67 IMO.

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