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Old 05-27-2012, 06:56 AM   #16
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It's up there, for sure.

Nowhere near say, Honeyghan-Curry.

Who had the better win then? Froch or Joe? Joe went the distance but battered Lacy throughout in a punch-perfect performance. Froch dismantled and battered a guy who seemingly had him outmatched in most attributes.

It comes down to who was better going into the fight IMO. I'd say Bute. He'd look better than Lacy and had shut out Glencoffe, who had taken some rounds off Froch just the fight before.

Lacy's Reid, Scott Pemberton etc etc don't compare IMO.

Yeah Bute is far far better than Lacy. Calzaghe massively overated.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:05 AM   #17
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I don't actually agree with this. I think that even if Bute outright retired right now it will still be a good performance over the #1 contender and a heavy favourite.
I totally agree, it would be a 'good performance'. But one of the best? Well no, not if Bute never fights again...
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:11 AM   #18
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Lennox learnt his trade in Canada. So while he might be British, he is a Canadian fighter.
To employ a British expression
This is total bollocks.

Lewis was born in West Ham London ,and had a total of 2 fights in Canada which altogether went less than 7 rds. Of his first 5 fights, 4 were in the UK, the other in the US.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:13 AM   #19
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[quote=smitty78;12937483]Haven't seen it but very surprised at the result. Great result for Froch who is a true warrior. He fights everyone. If only the other poms would follow his example, the weak cunts.[/quote]




Two of our middles recently fought for the title in Germany many felt they were robbed. Two of our heavies challenged for the title in Gemany. You talk shit.

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Old 05-27-2012, 07:19 AM   #20
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Haven't seen it but very surprised at the result. Great result for Froch who is a true warrior. He fights everyone. If only the other poms would follow his example, the weak cunts.[/quote]
Two of our middles recently fought for the title in Germany many felt they were robbed. Two of our heavies challenged for the title in Gemany. You talk shit.
You trying to defend Haye? Isn't Chisora from Africa? He is as English as Tszyu is Australian.

Amir Khan
David Haye
Joe Calzahge
Naseem Hamed

These are your biggest stars. You trying to say they will take on all comers?

There is always the odd exception such as Hatton and Froch but for the most part the Hugh Grant English stereotype is quite apt don't you think.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:22 AM   #21
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I was there live.

Obviously hatton v tszyu, lewis v holyfield, honeyghan v curry, stracey v napoles, fitz v np, conteh v ahumada and some other cases of guys beating the legitimate number 1 in the division rate higher historically.

In recent times though, this victory is as good as any other. Let's say in this century, it can be argued that it's the best victory by a british fighter.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:23 AM   #22
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Credit goes to Froch for beating an opponent who was favoured to topple him.

It has to be said though, Lucian looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights, showed little assertion and very poor survival instincts. At times his eyes were off the opponent when under fire like a novice unaccustomed to sparring.

He was gifted chances to regroup and nothing was made of them.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:27 AM   #23
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Froch is this era's Bazooka Limon.Just sadly without the whole all-time great fight series thing to truly cement his place in boxing followers great warrior lists.

A great performance for him and a straight up good one in any context against a favoured seemingly fresher opponent.Though if you do the " one of the best performances ever!" thing and actually look through the decades, there are probably quite a big list of similar strong performances against a similar quality of opponent that were favoured but somewhat unproven(and potentially not that good when all is said and done for them).That doesn't take away from it though.

pat Barrett vs Efrem Calamati just a quick mention of one that was devastating and now mostly forgotten because it wasn't for a world title or against someone who went on to do much.

And of course.Sibson vs John Collins.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:30 AM   #24
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I was there live.

Obviously hatton v tszyu, lewis v holyfield, honeyghan v curry, stracey v napoles, fitz v np, conteh v ahumada and some other cases of guys beating the legitimate number 1 in the division rate higher historically.

In recent times though, this victory is as good as any other. Let's say in this century, it can be argued that it's the best victory by a british fighter.
Fitz was raised in NZ and schooled in Australia therefore he was an Aussie fighter.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:32 AM   #25
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Froch is this era's Bazooka Limon.Just sadly without the whole all-time great fight series thing to truly cement his place in boxing followers great warrior lists.

A great performance for him and a straight up good one in any context against a favoured seemingly fresher opponent.Though if you do the " one of the best performances ever!" thing and actually look through the decades, there are probably quite a big list of similar strong performances against a similar quality of opponent that were favoured but somewhat unproven(and potentially not that good when all is said and done for them).That doesn't take away from it though.

pat Barrett vs Efrem Calamati just a quick mention of one that was devastating and now mostly forgotten because it wasn't for a world title or against someone who went on to do much.

And of course.Sibson vs John Collins.
Agree 100%
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:35 AM   #26
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No, not really. For that, we'll have to see how Lucian Bute will do in the future. Frankly, I don't expect Bute to amount to much. To not stand up to Froch's overhand right and left hook when hit flush is no great indictment, but why get hit with them so early in the match? Carl's victory will diminish in time.

However, as an overachiever I have tremendous respect for Froch. He lives for the sport, leaves it all in the ring, and has beat many a better athlete because of it.

Cazlaghe would have had a field day with both. I wonder if Ward would have been able to beat the Welshman, but that'another debate.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:18 AM   #27
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Fitz was raised in NZ and schooled in Australia therefore he was an Aussie fighter.
You probably weren't aware of this but he was actually born in cornwall you know! It's a place on the seaside in england

If you need any more information on one of england's finest ever prize fighter's you can always pm but I suggest you read pollack's book "in the ring with bob fitzsimmons".

The more you find out the more you'll be amazed!
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:22 AM   #28
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Pretty laughable claim when you analyse it.

Not in the top shelf with genuine outclassings of great prime fighters, the likes of Driscoll vs. Attell, Berg vs. Canzoneri, Turpin vs. Robinson.

Nor is it up there with the close competitive wins against greats, the likes of Berg vs. Chocolate or Lewis vs. Britton.

Nor is it up there with the outclassings of faded greats like Buchanan vs. Laguna II (don't consider the first a win for Ken), Hatton vs. Tszyu, McGuigan vs. Pedroza, Honeyghan vs. Curry.

Nor is it up there with the beatings of genuinely world class challengers like Conteh vs. Ahumada or Winstone vs. Legra.

It was a good win against a highly overrated, over-protected fighter. You could probably find 100s of British wins of more substance.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:31 AM   #29
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Pretty laughable claim when you analyse it.
Don't be a buzzkiller, SS.

It's the greatest victory in history of British boxing!!!
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:34 AM   #30
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Don't be a buzzkiller, SS.

It's the greatest victory in history of British boxing!!!
The facts can go **** themselves right now I suppose, I'm happy for Froch.
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